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Post subject: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:06 pm
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I've got a Mustang III which i bought about 5 months ago. While I'm aware of the fizzing issue on Mustangs, I'm convinced that it is not the same problem. The snare sound could be (quite easily) heard through the USB recording or through the headphone jack. I'm finding that this problem is extremely apparent in the British 80s with the 4x12V cab, with the gain knob turned low. Because of this, I can't get a decent clean-ish Marshall sound D=

I've read that some Vox modeling amps had this problem, but so far I haven't seen Mustang users complain about this. Though probably because I haven't searched long enough.

So I was just wondering if this was "normal", or is it just this particular amp? Also, since this issue is most likely not the same as the fizz, would this be covered by warranty?

It's possible for me to post a soundclip (through the USB record), if necessary.


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:02 am
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Can you post a audio sample of the snare noise from your mustang?


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:30 am
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What version is your firmware?

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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:15 pm
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My firmware version is 1.9.

Heres a link to a sound clip:
http://soundcloud.com/1kyzzi/mustang-usb-snare-sound


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:48 pm
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Putting on some headphones might help a bit. It's that static-ish sound in the background when something is being played, different than from normal hum. The sound that I should be getting (in the neck pickup/first part) should be clean, not dirty sounding, but there's like static spilled all over the place.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:19 pm
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Ok, here's one with the 65twin model (default settings):
http://soundcloud.com/1kyzzi/mustang-usb-static-sound

It's significantly better than the Brit80s model, but there's still a bit of static, a lot more apparent with the bridge pup. The neck pup sounds alright though.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:06 pm
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Two humbuckers: SD Little 59 in the bridge, GFS Vintage 59 in the neck. Definitely switching a single coil back into the bridge soon though, the Little 59 sounds quite terribad, as heard in the sound clips...

I hope a Fender staff could comment on whether my amp is defective, or is within that normal operating spec, like the fizz issue.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:33 am
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The only thing I hear is normal overdrive from hitting the strings hard with your humbuckers, dirtying up the tone. Try turning the gain down and volume up to see if that helps.

FWIW, to my ears Mustang cleans are much better with single coils.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:53 am
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Hi,
last week,i bought a Mustang V head with cabinet!!sounded great but since the update of firmware to 1.9 i heard this damn fizz on clean sound!i downgraded to 1.6 like the beginning but it still have this sound!

When i play with my Epiphone casino i heard a little bit but when i play with my SG that awful!

it's strang because before the update all that's ok but since the update...

excuse me for my english i'm french ;-)

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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:10 am
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My previous Brit80s clip was done with the gain knob on 1.5. I should be getting a nice and light overdriven sound. But that static is just a lot different from the overdriven sound from other amps. It's like an overlaying sound, where the sound under it sounds perfectly good.
On my laptop's speakers, it's harder to distinguish it from normal distortion, but it really stands out on headphones.

Heres a Brit80s clip with the gain on 1.1, the volume for 1.0 was too soft.
http://soundcloud.com/1kyzzi/mustang-usb-static-sound-2

I just want to know if this is within "engineering tolerances", or should I go back to the store.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:04 am
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One thing I have found with the Mustang III and probably the others as well is that like most solid state digital units their is typically going to be no sign of perfection throughout the unit. I purchased a Mustang III, 2 switch pedal and a 4 switch pedal and initially I have to say I was a bit disheartened. I have had a bit of everything I have heard on the forum as problems with the unit but it has taken some time to really master the combination of the Fuse Software (for the I and II Stangers) and the instrument itself. I actually took about three days to go through each preset and adjust each setting to something that was dreadful coming out of the amp. Doing that at least got me balanced. From there it was a matter of adjustments in tone or volume on my guitars. We're all looking for the perfect tones and sounds. For the price point the Mustang III is going to require us to do more than just turn it on to get that sound. Honestly I would have to say as far as SS amps I have never really been a fender fan but I am beginning to like my Mustang more and more as I figure out the right combinations. The sad part is that for every player it is going to be different. Just handing out settings to throw into the unit may not work for most. Power in the location, distance from the amp, settings, etc all play a role as to whether or not the amp is going to sound good. Let's face it ... this isn't an $800 or $1000 amp. It's $299 and for the money it is good but most settings sound like ?!#& coming out initially. I would tend to doubt that any of our modern day "guitar heros" had the perfect sound coming out of their $299 amps (when they used them) either. I think the Mustang series is not an amp for the weak at heart. It will take a lot of work to make it what you want it to be is what I have found. If I had known how much initially I probably would not have gotten it but I can say I am happy I have it now. All I can say to those of you having issues with it is to be patient and work with it. At least in the III, IV and V series you can do from the console what I and II have to do with Fuse. For those who are not use to using a computer to do amp changes that can be a pain in the $@! because the older guys who have been in the biz longer than most of us are used to just setting the amp and going. They also probably aren't buying $299 amps. Again ... work with it and I think you will find what works for your combo of equipment.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:43 am
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Don't hear anything unusual either.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:48 am
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The only thing I heard was something that sounded like fast "pumping" from a compressor. Didn't hear any snare-like sounds or fizz.

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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:13 pm
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The "snare" sound you are referring to has been talked about here. I had a Line 6 Spyder that did the same thing. It was a problem with the digital signal if I remember correctly. These amps are basically a computer with a speaker attached so hopefully the negineers can resolve this. I also seem to remember that my version of Amplitube for the iPad and iPhone exhibited this type of sound - it had something to do with the noise gate. I would suggest killing the gate alotgether not just turning to minimums - and then see if that helps. Software is nothing more than code so maybe there's a way the engineers can fix this - as you mentioned.

BTW, I have a Mustang I and I love it - no issues as you mentioned. Not as many featuers but sounds great.


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Post subject: Re: "Snare" sound after strumming
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:03 am
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I would concur with Blues2rock2's statement. As both a synth and guitar player in my cover band, I am used to the concept of patches, tweaking onboard effects, etc. The MIII I own definitely requires "fiddling" to get the right tone. However, I believe the investment in time is well worth it, because once you get the thing dialed in, it can sound every bit as good as some more expensive amp solutions....not totally "tube-like", but awful darn close. The other guitar player in our band plays through a handbuilt boutique half-stack, and often comments on the high quality of tone I am getting from the MIII. Plus, I also love the versatility of the amp: If I need a special unique tone for a song we are learning for the next gig, I just start with a base amp model that I think would work well, twist some effects and, voila! New tone for the new song....works great!


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