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Post subject: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:32 am
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Anyone tried to 'replicate' the sound of a PR?

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:18 am
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Isn't there a Princeton model already or are you thinking that the "Reverb" makes a difference? It doesn't.

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:37 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
Isn't there a Princeton model already or are you thinking that the "Reverb" makes a difference? It doesn't.

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What do you mean "Princeton model already"? Is there a factory setting that's supposed to be a model of Princeton Reverb?

Basically I'm wondering how close a Mustang can come to emulating a Princeton Reverb (PR). I own the M1 but with the small speaker and tiny closed cab it doesn't get there. So maybe one of the bigger Mustangs can get closer.

I know it's a somewhat subjective opinion and I also know that one PR may not sound exactly like the next PR. But maybe there's a setting in the Mustang that could get close and at least make us say, "Hmm, that kinda sounds like a PR".

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:12 pm
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I got off my lazy a55 and went to a local guitar center and checked out the MIII. It had several settings that were not bad as far as modelling a princeton reverb. Preset #37 is titled "Cranked Princeton". It was not bad at all. They had a used MIII with the foot switch for $199.

While I was there I also checked out a used princeton 112. I was actually impressed. I didn't expect that amp to sound as good as it did. It had $119 price tag on it. I wonder what they would take?

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:49 pm
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mhowell wrote:
Orcatraz wrote:
Isn't there a Princeton model already or are you thinking that the "Reverb" makes a difference? It doesn't.

O.


What do you mean "Princeton model already"? Is there a factory setting that's supposed to be a model of Princeton Reverb?

Basically I'm wondering how close a Mustang can come to emulating a Princeton Reverb (PR). I own the M1 but with the small speaker and tiny closed cab it doesn't get there. So maybe one of the bigger Mustangs can get closer.

I know it's a somewhat subjective opinion and I also know that one PR may not sound exactly like the next PR. But maybe there's a setting in the Mustang that could get close and at least make us say, "Hmm, that kinda sounds like a PR".

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Yes there is a Fender Princeton among the amp models. I shouldn't have posted my reply as a question.

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:38 pm
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You said you have a Mustang I. Well, there-in lies your problem. The Mustang I only has 24 preset slots, grouped into 3 banks of certain amp models. Out of the 12 amp models the unit has, 4 of them are not on any of the default presets. These include:

1957 Fender Champ
1965 Fender Deluxe Reverb
1965 Fender Princeton Reverb
1970s Marshall Plexi

This is probably why you couldn't find it. To get these, you have to hook the Mustang I up to a computer that has Fender FUSE installed, then change on of your presets to have that amp. In fact, to get access to all of the amp models, I changed a few presets like so:

Red-F = '65 Deluxe Reverb
Green-F = '65 Twin Reverb
Orange-F = '65 Princeton Reverb
Orange-# = '57 Champ
Orange-E = Marshall Plexi

And I voiced the presets so they sounded good and saved them to those slots. Now I have presets saved with all 12 amp models. I grouped them so that the Red bank was all high-gain stuff, the Green bank was all clean or low-gain stuff, and then Orange was everything that didn't cleanly fit. Like Orange-A is the Peavey 5150 with a Greenback cab (4x12G), but Red-A is the Peavey 5150 with a Modern cab (4x12M). Orange-C is the Mesa Dual Rectifier with the Vintage cab (4x12V) instead of Red-C which has the 4x12M cab.

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:14 am
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mhowell wrote:
Basically I'm wondering how close a Mustang can come to emulating a Princeton Reverb (PR).


Nothing you'd call "close" ... I would love to let you have an audition. If you ever come to Switzerland, let me know and I'll let you play my PR from 1966.

A friend of mine has this new "Kemper" amp and we tried to emulate my Princeton. Didn't work. You hear it immediately. Even the comparison to a PRRI falls flat.

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 2:21 pm
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Took me a couple of minutes to figure it out but found the Princeton model using Fuse. I think the Deluxe Reverb model is actually closer to a real princeton reverb than the princeton model. I've also be told that audio memory is poor so ... :?

I know longer own a PR so I can't do a side by side comparison but the tones were not bad. I'm sure there not right on but for what I'm doing they're close enough. :D

I stored various settings in the 'green' bank using the princeton, deluxe reverb, and twin reverb models.

Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions. It was very helpful.

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Post subject: Re: Model a Princeton Reverb
Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:18 am
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mhowell wrote:
I've also be told that audio memory is poor so ... :?


Scientifically spoken, in DBT, they found it to be around 15 seconds.

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