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Post subject: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:23 am
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I have the Mustang 2. I bought the Boss GT-100 today. Through the actual board with headphones it sounds great, but when I want to play it through the amp it's adds distortion and when you turn the gain down it turns the amp down and there's till distortion...

Firmware is patched. While I like this amp, I think there are some issues with it that need to be addressed.

Any suggestions?


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:36 am
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The Mustang, and modeling amps in general, are not designed to be used as monitors for other modeling hardware. They have their own DSP and are optimized for their own stand alone application. When you plug a DSP platform into another DSP platform, you will get some coloring from both platforms (unless there is some way to bypass the DSP of said platform, which on the Mustang, there is not). You may or may not like the results.

That's not to say you can't experiment with different set ups and get decent results. Try a clean setting, for example, Fender Twin or Deluxe with no gain and no effects. Turn up the master volume, and turn off the Cab simulation.


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:40 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
The Mustang, and modeling amps in general, are not designed to be used as monitors for other modeling hardware. They have their own DSP and are optimized for their own stand alone application. When you plug a DSP platform into another DSP platform, you will get some coloring from both platforms (unless there is some way to bypass the DSP of said platform, which on the Mustang, there is not). You may or may not like the results.

That's not to say you can't experiment with different set ups and get decent results. Try a clean setting, for example, Fender Twin or Deluxe with no gain and no effects. Turn up the master volume, and turn off the Cab simulation.


Hey, thanks for replying :)

How do I turn off the cab simulation?


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:51 am
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Erm, just going off memory,

Go into FUSE, you may have to select the Advance Amp tab, some where on the right hand side there should be a drop down menu for the Cab selection. You can mix and match different cabs with the amps or just turn it off.


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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:21 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
Erm, just going off memory,

Go into FUSE, you may have to select the Advance Amp tab, some where on the right hand side there should be a drop down menu for the Cab selection. You can mix and match different cabs with the amps or just turn it off.


Ok thank you :)

I'll give it a go. Do you think I can get it working well with just a clean amp sound and the GT-100, or is it going to sound a bit crappy and not quite right whatever I do?


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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:24 pm
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Hi Mepha,

So, it looks like you are being given some good advice here. It will tend to complicate things when you have multiple layers of modeling stacked. And with that said, I would suggest watching your gain structure on both the Boss device and the amp and choosing to make either the Boss device or the amp the "neutral" model.

What I mean is to consider setting up your amp with a clean model with no gain or effects when you plan on using the Boss device and its modeling and do the same in reverse when you want to use the amp's models instead. And again, watch the gain and channel volumes on both devices as well as the gain, output and compression/overdrive effects so you don't overload the input of the amp. Please let me know if i can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:23 pm
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I have been trying a Zoom G3 multi effects in front of the Mustang, but the only way I can get anything sensible is by having the Mustang set to the 'empty' preset that someone here stumbled on, and going through the effects return, so that the only thing working on the Mustang is the Master volume (and of course the speaker).

Workable, but still not as good to my ears as either the Mustang on its own, or the G3 in front of a non-modelling amp.


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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:11 pm
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Alan Willey - Fender wrote:
Hi Mepha,

So, it looks like you are being given some good advice here. It will tend to complicate things when you have multiple layers of modeling stacked. And with that said, I would suggest watching your gain structure on both the Boss device and the amp and choosing to make either the Boss device or the amp the "neutral" model.

What I mean is to consider setting up your amp with a clean model with no gain or effects when you plan on using the Boss device and its modeling and do the same in reverse when you want to use the amp's models instead. And again, watch the gain and channel volumes on both devices as well as the gain, output and compression/overdrive effects so you don't overload the input of the amp. Please let me know if i can assist further.

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Hey, thanks. That sounds like it could work. I'll give it a shot. I have noticed that if I have the volume on my guitar at maybe half then I don't get as many problems but then the volume isn't as loud and the tone isn't as rich. (Does that sound right?)

What do you mean by overloading the input? As in, too many effects will distort it, or it could like... blow up? (That is a serious question, I've only just properly started looking at amps and effects pedals)

A question: Do you guys play with the volume on the guitar at full? If no, why? If yes, I guess it's because you want it loud. Hehe. I normally play with it at max because I find the tone is richer, but I've never really talked to anyone about it or read on it at all and people may have reasons for doing what they do.

One more thing. I find that if I have a setting on, say the 57 Deluxe, and I turn the gain down slightly I lose all volume, and even putting the amp up to max volume I still don't have a lot of volume until I change the preset and reset it by going back to it.

Any ideas why this happens and to stop it from happening, should I be changing the settings in the fuse program rather than on the amp?

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:14 pm
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depepat wrote:
I have been trying a Zoom G3 multi effects in front of the Mustang, but the only way I can get anything sensible is by having the Mustang set to the 'empty' preset that someone here stumbled on, and going through the effects return, so that the only thing working on the Mustang is the Master volume (and of course the speaker).

Workable, but still not as good to my ears as either the Mustang on its own, or the G3 in front of a non-modelling amp.


Yea I think that's what I'll look into. The sound from the Boss is so good through headphones that I'm not using the amp that much, even though I only got it a few days ago. But you know, new toys and all that :P But it will be fun at band practice regardless.

Ideally I'd like to find a middle ground between them, I'm sure there are some effects that will sound good with one on the amp. It just takes some exploring I think.


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:49 am
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Mepha wrote:
A question: Do you guys play with the volume on the guitar at full? If no, why? If yes, I guess it's because you want it loud. Hehe. I normally play with it at max because I find the tone is richer, but I've never really talked to anyone about it or read on it at all and people may have reasons for doing what they do.

One more thing. I find that if I have a setting on, say the 57 Deluxe, and I turn the gain down slightly I lose all volume, and even putting the amp up to max volume I still don't have a lot of volume until I change the preset and reset it by going back to it.

Any ideas why this happens and to stop it from happening, should I be changing the settings in the fuse program rather than on the amp?

Thanks!

As my guitar playing experience has progressed over the years I've found that I use my guitar volume more and more to control my tone. This ability is very apparent when you play through a nice tube amp. Just as you can control dynamics by picking softer or harder, you can control dynamics by turning up or down your guitar volume. The Mustang amps do a very nice job simulating the responsivness of a tube amp. So I generaly keep my volume knob between 5 and 8 (it just depends on the preset & how much gain I'm using, etc) and I turn it up when I want to put a little stank on it.

I'm not sure why you can't get any volume on the amp with the gain turned down. On my MIII it gets plenty loud with the master volume, even with no effects.


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:15 am
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Hi Mepha,

So, what I mean by overloading the input is to simply send too much signal to the input of the amp. This can cause unpleasant and unwanted sound artifacts. As a "global" suggestion I would say to be aware of all of the places where you might be adding more volume, signal and /or gain along the signal path to the input of the amp. This can included any effects/models and their settings such as drive, gain, output, tone etc. With each gain stage (extra signal/volume) that you add, you will increase the input level that you are sending to the amp. I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if I can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:16 pm
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I would try your boss headphone output to the mustang cd/mp3 aux input,it should sound good with this hookup.

I have my vox VT-20+ headphone output going into my mustang I aux input and my vox sounds better through my mustang then it does through it's own internal speaker,the speaker in the vox has too much high end harshness and a muddy upper midrange compared to the mustang's speaker.

If anyone knows what type of speaker fender uses in the mustang I please let me know? I would also like to replace the 8" speaker in my vox VT20+ with something similar sounding to the mustang I speaker,maybe a weber or jensen?


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Post subject: Re: Little help?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:07 am
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I THINK that the smaller Mustang amps all use Fender's own 'special' speakers, rather than 'name' brands, and I doubt that you can buy them retail.

Maybe one of the Fender mods will comment ?


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