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Post subject: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:16 am
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We just bought the floor to go with our amp. What are we doing wrong? How do you turn off the amp settings on the mustang ii so that the floor board is the one making the effects?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:18 am
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Is there supposed to be a cord that communicates the floor and the amp ii?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:55 am
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so you like to use a modelling amp as amplifier for a modelling amp ;)

Two possibilities:

1) Use an adaptor to go into the 1/8" AUX Input of the MII. Rule the loudness with the Master Vol.

2) Inofficial solution: Download Pita's "Empty"-preset from the library and save it to the MII. Turn "Volume" to maximum and use the usual and more stable 1/4" input. Rule the loudness with the Master Vol.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:24 pm
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Still not working...

Whatever setting the Mustang II amp is on, that is always on. So - its like it overrides the Mustang Floor.

The guy at the Music store told us to go with the Mustang Floor since we have the Mustang II amp so they could talk to eachother. Well, how in the hell do they talk to eachother! LOL The Mustang Floor needs to tell the Mustang II to back off :)

Fender Mods, please help or they are both going back to the store if my boyfriend gets any more frustrated lol...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:09 pm
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Ok, look. The guy at your music store is a tool. He told you some bull-sh** to sell you the item. Now, the item itself is pretty cool for what it does, don't get me wrong. The falsehood he told you was that the Mustang Floor and the Mustang II could "talk" to each other. They don't.

Your guitar is going into the Mustang Floor, yes? Then the sound is comming out of there and would normally either go into a power-amp (like the FX Return of another amp) or to a PA system that would amplify it anyway. Check out Fender's own page for it: http://www.fender.com/products/mustang/models.php?prodNo=2301060

The Mustang Floor is pretty much a Mustang amplifier without the speaker and the power-amp section necessary to drive said speaker. It is EVERYTHING ELSE....with a wah-pedal added for good measure.

Since they're both pretty much the same thing, they'll behave the same. Their amp modelling modes are ALWAYS ON, no matter what you do (except glitching a preset with an available "empty" preset you can download).

If you already have the Mustang II amplifier (like I do), then the Mustang Floor is meaningless. You'd get more use out of, say, the EXP-1 pedal. Or, better yet, upgrade to a Mustang 3-5 so you can get the 4-button and 2-button pedals for a total of 6-footswitch buttons (although only 3 will give you stomp-switches).

If you go the other way, you'd need some form of power-amp and speaker cabinet to hook your Mustang Floor into. Then you'd be set that way too. Personally, I like my Mustang V head+cab. It's flippin loud and it actually sounds pretty good once you've broken in those Celestion Rocket 50 speakers.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I just read the other threads that are similar to this. If you run the Floor's output into the Mustang II's AUX input, you'd effectively bypass all of the Mustang II's amp modelling stages and go straight into the power-amp stage, which you can control with the Master Volume knob. If you can get the right cables to do that, then you'll be set and keep on rocking. Note, however, that the Aux and Phones port of both the Floor and the Mustang amps are plastic and soldered directly to a PCB. They're fragile, so be careful when you plug something in or unplug something else.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:15 am
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I'd take it back to the store and tell the guy he doesn't know what he is talking about, the Mustang Floor and the Mustang amps are not made to "talk" to each other or really go with each other. The floor is for those who want the digital modeling and effects without the Mustang power amp or cabinet so they can run it into a power amp. I never had much luck running floor modelers into the front ends of amps even on clean settings as they color the sound with the tone of that amp. Running the floor even into the effects loop of the M3-5 series is just defeating the purpose and a waste of money.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:53 am
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Stinger22 wrote:
I'd take it back to the store and tell the guy he doesn't know what he is talking about, the Mustang Floor and the Mustang amps are not made to "talk" to each other or really go with each other. The floor is for those who want the digital modeling and effects without the Mustang power amp or cabinet so they can run it into a power amp. I never had much luck running floor modelers into the front ends of amps even on clean settings as they color the sound with the tone of that amp. Running the floor even into the effects loop of the M3-5 series is just defeating the purpose and a waste of money.


Indeed!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:58 pm
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Hi jsring,

I'm sorry to hear that you were given some misinformation at the music store. With that said, there are a couple of options for you in regard to running the Fender Mustang Floor if you decide to keep it. With the Fender Mustang Floor, you can actually bypass the amp models by pressing the Amp button in any Preset. Once the light goes out, the modeling is bypassed. Then you could use the Floor as a smart effects device and have the unbalanced output go to the Aux in on your Fender Mustang II.

Also, you could select the Studio Preamp model. This amp offers a neutral model. With this model, you also get the option to adjust EQ (Treb, Mid, Bass). But, you will want to keep an eye on your overall gain between the output control (rear panel) on the Floor and the EQ if you decide to use the Studio Preamp. So, consider these options while you are deciding what would work best for you and please let me know if i can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:17 am
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Alan: I just got the Mustang Floor and so far am very happy with it. Hopefully you can help me - I don't like modeling, so I am using the studio preamp for everything. I am using the floor basically to save effects presets. (I have a 64 Fender Deluxe Reverb, so the LAST thing I want is amp modeling... :-) )... anyway, I have a question about the studio preamp. Consider two scenarios:

1. Forget all other settings - if the volume control on the preamp is set to 10, does this mean that it's basically the same as plugging directly into the amp, or does this actually increase the level of the signal going to the amp? I'm trying to find the spot where the volume (forget the gain for now) is pretty much "neutral" to the signal - so I can use my amp for volume, and not have any coloring from the pedal.

2. The level on the back. Same question as the volume in the studio preamp - where should it be set so that it is basically "neutral" to the signal going through?

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:29 am
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2. The level on the back. Same question as the volume in the studio preamp - where should it be set so that it is basically "neutral" to the signal going through?


At the "12 o'clock" position is my understanding. Other topics have discussed this, suggest searching for "Mustang Floor unity gain" or somesuch.

Edit/Addendum: yes, the above search is what you want. Look for the two posts by Fender TSL. Better still, here are the links:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=71106&p=841806#p841806
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=74510&p=878121#p878121


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:49 am
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Great... Thanks for the help. That answers one question. Still wondering about the volume control within the studio preamp itself...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:00 am
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I haven't had experience with Fender's pedals to the Mustang II amp, but I do have a Mustang II amp. I have hooked up multiple pedals to it both ways, effectively, with no issues.

Your traditional way of running from your guitar out to pedal input, then pedal output to amp input. And select one of Fender's preset amps.

or

Running from your guitar to pedal input, then pedal output to AUX input. (use a 1/4 mono to 1/8 stereo cable. You can find these at any music store. And this bypasses the modeling effects all together giving you the traditional set up of an amp(treble, bass, gain, etc.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:44 pm
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Gents-
Old thread but a very useful one, The "empty" preset described above is an excellent option. I play the Floor through a Mustang II with Pita's "Empty" patch from Fuse (enter "Empty" into the search box and download!). Each time I turn on the amp I have to turn the amp's volume knob slightly to activate the preset. I prefer 7 for volume and adjust master to about 4. Now I can select patches on the Floor, adjust volume with the expression pedal (set that up for all presets via Menu), etc.
I set up all the cleans in banks 00-10, 11-15 is for patches designed for an acoustic guitar, 21-30 is good overdrive sounds, 31-50 is dirty tones, 51-70 is very dirty tones, 71-80 is for bass guitar and 81-99 is basic amps.
Sounds awesome- many thanks for the suggestion and thanks to Pita for the preset. I load and tweak the presets on my Floor unit and "amplify" them through the Mustang amp. I set Output to Mono and PA Speaker option. Of course the Floor is equally great sounding through active PA speakers too.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:28 pm
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cropmusik wrote:
... Pita's "Empty" patch... Each time I turn on the amp I have to turn the amp's volume knob slightly to activate the preset. I prefer 7 for volume and adjust master to about 4.


Oops, yeah, I didn't realize until later (when someone else pointed it out) that I neglected to turn the volume of this preset up (sorry)--but you should be able to do so and save it the way you prefer on your Mustang, then you won't need to jiggle it each time you power up.

Happy to hear you're getting some use from it.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang floor to Mustang II amp - help
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:23 am
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YES, Pita--- that makes perfect sense. I just need to hit the save button on the amp when I "reset" the volume to "7". Thanks!


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