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Post subject: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:41 pm
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Why is it that the volume pedal is either on or off. I like to do swells with alot of delay and noticed that in any mode that the delay does not trail off intead the signal is completely cut off. Can this be changed. Currently all of my delays are post amp and the the pedal is not set globally. Could the later two be the reason? :?


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:13 pm
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Hi WG951,
When the pedal is in Volume Mode it controls the master output level. This is post delay, post everything in fact, so it cuts the delay tails and everything else as you've described. To get your desired effect, you'll need to control the volume before the delay effect. This can be accomplished by setting the pedal to Expression Mode and controlling the VOL parameter of the AMP model (and placing the delays/reverbs post amp model as you've done already). Controlling the GAIN parameter in this manner can be fun too.
Hope this helps!


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:55 am
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I'll mention it here also as I have in another thread. I use the pedal in expression mode to control the amp gain on my Bassman and SuperSonic models I use for blues and heavier blues. Don't forget you can set the % for heel and toe travel. I find setting heel about 40% and toe about 80% gives me a really nice way to clean up for rhythm and clean parts and push down to add some boost and dirt for leads.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:23 am
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Stinger,
I'm going to have to try this. It sounds like a great idea, especially by setting the min and max not to be 0 and 100%...


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:01 pm
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That gets around the problem, but at the expense of not being able to use the pedal for volume, OR to control a parameter in the SAME patch (I like to use a built in pedal for volume, then engage the toe switch for wah-always did this when I used Boss and Line 6 stuff).


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:10 am
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Yes, it's a shame that the volume pedal can not be assigned anywhere in the chain. Most users would want the volume pedal as the first device in the chain, just like real life.

I just bought the Floor, and I really hope the engineers seriously look at fixing this oversight in a future firmware update.

I wasn't aware that the effects loop could also not be assigned, that's another that would be a great fix.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:32 pm
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poynt99 wrote:
Yes, it's a shame that the volume pedal can not be assigned anywhere in the chain. Most users would want the volume pedal as the first device in the chain, just like real life.

I just bought the Floor, and I really hope the engineers seriously look at fixing this oversight in a future firmware update.

I wasn't aware that the effects loop could also not be assigned, that's another that would be a great fix.

Hmm. I most strongly concur here regarding the lack of function in both the volume pedal and FX Loop/insert orders. My good ol' GT-6 (IIRC) and GT-8s can both do this stuff—and they're both many years old by now.

Unfortunately, this odd design "omission" would probably be a deal breaker for me—function-wise, that is: for the record, I already have owned the Mustang III amp (love it!) since it pretty much came out, and these issues obviously aren't relevant there. However, purely for ease of carrying a plug-straight-into-a-PA Mustang setup in some venues, I've been considering getting a Floor as well. Now... well, I'm not so sure. :?


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:46 am
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Yes,

It was a critical, amateurish oversight indeed.

And why it is taking so long to correct the problem and release a new version of firmware is really puzzling, and disappointing. :?:


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:06 am
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The only solution available to overcome this grave deficiency (until they get around to fixing the problem), is to dig out your old volume control pedal (I have a Morley), and use the on-board pedal strictly for wah and/or parameter changes.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:04 am
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I ran into this too, and it took me a while to figure this out. I don't like amp modeling, so I'm really using this to store presets of effects. So, my amp is the Studio Preamp. I used the pedal for volume, but it seemed like it was either all on or all off. Then I noticed in the manaul how to calibrate the pedal. That was what it turned out to be. Calibrate your pedal and you'll get the full range of volume. Works great now. NOW all I need to understand is the studio preamp. I am trying to figure out if the volume setting being at 10 is the right way to run that... meaning, if you have it set to 10, are you just sending full signal through to the amp (so it would be basically the same as running to the amp directly, volume-wise) or does that actually increase the signal going to the amp past the normal? Hopefully you guys understand that question.....


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:57 am
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elvisguy wrote:
I ran into this too, and it took me a while to figure this out. I don't like amp modeling, so I'm really using this to store presets of effects. So, my amp is the Studio Preamp. I used the pedal for volume, but it seemed like it was either all on or all off. Then I noticed in the manaul how to calibrate the pedal. That was what it turned out to be. Calibrate your pedal and you'll get the full range of volume. Works great now. NOW all I need to understand is the studio preamp. I am trying to figure out if the volume setting being at 10 is the right way to run that... meaning, if you have it set to 10, are you just sending full signal through to the amp (so it would be basically the same as running to the amp directly, volume-wise) or does that actually increase the signal going to the amp past the normal? Hopefully you guys understand that question.....

Good questions. I'd like to know this, too, if anyone out there has anything definitive.

Also, is the Studio Preamp the setting one would best be recommended to use if running an acoustic guitar on occasion? I'm assuming that it must be the very definition of sounding clean, straight-thru, etc., right? (Forgive me; my only frame of reference is my Mustang III which, of course, doesn't have the Studio Preamp setting.)

Dear Fender guys: Could the Studio Preamp possibly (hopefully) be installed to the AMP line via another future software update? Plus make available a few *acoustic guitar* optimized presets while we're at it? Thanks! :D


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:02 am
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I already got one answer: the level on the back of the unit. If it's at 12 o'clock, that is considered unity gain. Now, if I can just find out about the volume control inside the studio preamp, I'll be all set.

Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:00 pm
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@elvisguy,

The volume pedal problem has nothing to do with pedal calibration. The problem is there is no means to place the volume pedal at the beginning of the signal chain.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal, Mustang Floor
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:12 pm
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Hi,

I know this workaround might have some limitations but I think it addresses your issue:

-add an overdrive stomp, if you don't have one already, in the front of your effect chain
-if you are adding the overdrive just for the workaround, chose a gain setting for the overdrive stomp that does not change your tone when the overdrive level is at max (10)
-make the expression pedal change the level of the overdrive stomp, at level 1 it totally kill guitar signal.

obviously with this setup you lose the stomp pedal in your chain but is better than nothing while we wait for the firmware fix...


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