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Post subject: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:37 am
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Especially for Mustang I and II:

if i have a song, that needs 3 presets for example, it would be great if you could set up the foot switch to change from the first to the second to the third. (or more of course) :)

so instead of: 1 - 2 (switch) - it should be possible to change from 1 - 2 - 3 in order.
what do you think of that idea?

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:49 am
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Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not possible for the M1 and M2. It's a hardware constraint, not software.

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:57 am
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FFXIhealer wrote:
Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not possible for the M1 and M2. It's a hardware constraint, not software.


Well that's curious. Could you explain exactly what the hardware does when you press the foot switch?


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:08 pm
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johnjaypl wrote:
FFXIhealer wrote:
Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not possible for the M1 and M2. It's a hardware constraint, not software.


Well that's curious. Could you explain exactly what the hardware does when you press the foot switch?

On the M I & II foot switches, they are just simple "make or break switches" - like and "on/Off" switch. The amp simply senses what state the switch is in by checking if there is electrical contenuity passing through the circuit or not.

You can't get 3 states out of this setup.

The M III-V use foot switches with active electronics and work completely different.


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:15 pm
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p90sdude wrote:
You can't get 3 states out of this setup.


In software it is very easy to convert such a signal to any length sequence of presets. Simply increment a preset-pointer by one each time a change in the switch is registered.


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:07 am
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It would be...if it wasn't hard-coded into the hardware of the PCB. That would require a re-design of the Mustang 1/2 amps' internal hardware components in order to implement, hence why it won't work with a simple firmware update (which is nothing more than upgrading the BIOS in your computer).

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:09 pm
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FFXIHealer is correct.

However, you can still have access to 3 presets. Program the second and third presets to the two footswitch locations. Then just navigate to the first preset you want. Play using that preset and when the time comes you can use the footswitch to select the other two.

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:30 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
FFXIHealer is correct.

However, you can still have access to 3 presets. Program the second and third presets to the two footswitch locations. Then just navigate to the first preset you want. Play using that preset and when the time comes you can use the footswitch to select the other two.


Thank you Loren for that great idea! :-)


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:29 pm
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FFXIhealer wrote:
It would be...if it wasn't hard-coded into the hardware of the PCB. That would require a re-design of the Mustang 1/2 amps' internal hardware components in order to implement, hence why it won't work with a simple firmware update (which is nothing more than upgrading the BIOS in your computer).


I'd have to agree with madsen on this one. I see no reason why the firmware couldn't be made to interpret each switch transition as an instruction to increment the preset through some cycle of arbitrary length.

It would probably become unwieldy beyond about 3 presets (you'd need at most two clicks to reach any of 3 with a single button, which may be just tolerable most of the time). However, 3 is likely still a good bit better than just 2.

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:19 pm
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But then the switch would cycle through available presets in one directly only...and you'd have yet even more people whining and complaining that they couldn't go backwards (hence why you have two buttons on the M3/4/5 footswitch).

Seriously, nothing is ever good enough for some people and they will continue to whine and complain no matter how much they get for their money.

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:08 pm
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FFXIhealer wrote:
But then the switch would cycle through available presets in one directly only


Yeah, that's what I said; that's why it would likely be too clumsy for more than 3 presets.

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...and you'd have yet even more people whining and complaining that they couldn't go backwards (hence why you have two buttons on the M3/4/5 footswitch).


Well, it could be made configurable, you know (even if it had to be set up in FUSE); it's all software after all.

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Seriously, nothing is ever good enough for some people and they will continue to whine and complain no matter how much they get for their money.


Uhh, ok...

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:31 am
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PITA wrote:
I'd have to agree with madsen on this one. I see no reason why the firmware couldn't be made to interpret each switch transition as an instruction to increment the preset through some cycle of arbitrary length.


The reson must be that the firmware can't read the footswitch signal.

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Seriously, nothing is ever good enough for some people and they will continue to whine and complain no matter how much they get for their money.


I don't hear anyone whine and complain, only making suggestions for improving an already very good product. This is the way modern software development is done. Companies release unfinished software in "finished" products and then rely on updates and fixes based on consumer beta-testing the "finished". ALL companies I know of do this, no-one releases finished software as they can't catch all faults and bugs themselves. So in return of the free beta-testing, people usual get to make feature requests which the company can choose to igore or include in upcoming versions. This is the usual process of modern software development, both the company and the consumers benefit from this. And yes, I do have a background as a software developer.


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:13 pm
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madsen wrote:
I don't hear anyone whine and complain, only making suggestions for improving an already very good product. This is the way modern software development is done.


alright. our ideas should at least be discussed, ideas are important - in music as a creative element in life in any case!

and another point: it wouldn't be that messed up having 3 or more presets. if you know your song structure, you can programm a nice chain of presets like: intro - verse - chorus- verse-bridge-solo etc etc. - and for that, the fuse software is perfect imho.


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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:47 pm
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Hey Guys,

I'd just like to remind you that your suggestions do not fall on deaf ears. The people responsible for adding these features do read these posts. Some of my favorite features on these amps have come from forum users.

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Post subject: Re: Idea for Firmware 2.0
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:17 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey Guys,

I'd just like to remind you that your suggestions do not fall on deaf ears. The people responsible for adding these features do read these posts. Some of my favorite features on these amps have come from forum users.


Thanks, Loren,

The beauty of what I will call "Software-defined" electronics is that major changes and added features are only a software developer's keystroke away. If the unit has enough memory available and enough horsepower under the hood, the sky's the limit!
So let's all whine away! (so to speak) some of the craziest ideas may lead to powerful upgrades.

The challenge with software defined electronics is that once the consumer has purchased the initial unit which can be upgraded indefinately by firmware updates, the company will sometimes cease to support a unit that is still perfectly useful, in order for "planned obsolescence" to require the purchase of a new model. If this happens too often and too quickly, the company gets a bad rep for customer support and begins to lose market share. If it doesn't happen at all, the company goes out of business because once everyone has one, there is no market anymore. (Kind of like building a lifetime guaranteed washing machine or automobile.)

Here's hoping that Fender strikes the proper balance!

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