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Post subject: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:35 pm
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Hi!

I just got the Mustang II and I think it sounds really great. However, when I use my trusted Boss DS-2 pedal it does not sound so good. I have tried to modify the amp model (Twin Reverb) and it does help but it still sounds kind of "digital". The guitar is a Blacktop Jaguar using the bridge pickup. The other pickup settings generally sounds worse.

Any tips for adjusting the amp to take the DS-2 without being driven into digital mode? The DS-2 sounded perfect with my old cheap solid-state amp, however the amp did not sound so good clean as the Mustang...

I'd like to still use an external pedal so I can use the M2 footswitch for other effects than distortion.

Thanks!

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Madsen


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:06 am
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Unfortunately, the probability says no.

The Mustang amps are not solid-state amps. They are Digital Amp Modellers. That means you have a small computer inside the amp that digitizes the signal, adds effects, amp emulation, cabinet frequency filtering, yadda yadda....before it goes back out for the power-amp section, where it turns the now digital signal back into an analog signal. It's very similar to your computer's sound card.

Most pedals (like BOSS) were designed to work with analog signals and analog amps. Solid-state amps are still analog...they just use transistors and diodes instead of vacuum tubes to do clipping and signal amplification.

This may be a losing battle for you. The only BOSS pedal I have still out of its box (i.e. not sitting on a shelf unused somewhere) is my TU-3 Chromatic Tuner. I'm finicky about intonation and tune, so I check my guitars almost daily with it. It's a LOT more accurate than the built-in Mustang tuner.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:33 pm
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Ok, thanks. I really don't see why that would make a difference, unless the sampling of the input signal is simply too poor for distortion, which of cause makes sense since it is quite hard to sample noise. Some settings does, however, seem to make the sound better so I guess I just have to keep twaeking FUSE :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:54 pm
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I run a Zoom G9.2tt through the Aux input on a V head for the purpose of kickin' up the distortion. If you add an A/B Y switch, you'll be able to use the amp like it's got two separate channels that can be played solo or together.

Find a cheap, used, full-blown Boss amp modeler and plug it into the Aux -- you'll get exactly what you are looking for plus keep the Mustang II tone unaltered!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:29 pm
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Instead of using the small, physically delicate Aux Input you can use Pita's "empty" Preset and stay plugged in in the usual way. With volume at max "Empty" gives exactly the same sound like the Aux-Input.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:06 pm
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Frente wrote:
Instead of using the small, physically delicate Aux Input you can use Pita's "empty" Preset and stay plugged in in the usual way. With volume at max "Empty" gives exactly the same sound like the Aux-Input.

But, w/ the Aux input, you keep stereo output from the effect -- perfect for recording stereo effects via modelers via the Mustang headphone output! You can turn a mono Mustang into a stereo monster!

The Mustang Aux in headphone out provides the perfect platform for recording other stereo DSP modelers!

Be as careful with the Aux input as you would the neck of a Gibson -- one bump and it's over!

...is the Aux covered if it simply fails? Is it fixable if it fails? Good point, but still, I'll take the risk for the stereo output for recording!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:16 am
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Hi again!

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I need some kind of angled mini-jack to jack converter in order not to ruin the plug, but it is a nice idea that I will likely take up at some point.

I kept messing with the adjustments in fuse and I think I finally got something which sounds good :D To me at least :lol:

Best Regards,
Madsen


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:19 pm
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Hey Madsen,

Using the aux input is a good workaround. Also remember that these amps won't take distortion pedals the same way most amps will. You can get a good sound but it's gonna take some tweaking. Start with no gain and little volume.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang II and DS2
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:57 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Using the aux input is a good workaround. Also remember that these amps won't take distortion pedals the same way most amps will. You can get a good sound but it's gonna take some tweaking. Start with no gain and little volume.


Yeah, I'll write an amp-depal on my wish list for sure. Should it be somethink like a sansamp or ?

I did, however, managed to tweak the sound so it now sounds better distorted than my old solid state amp did :D The key was, I tink, to lower the distortion on my pedal a (tiny) bit (but still quite high :wink:), tweak the reverb of the '65 Twin Reverb, use my bridge pickup (blacktop jag) and turn off "bright". I sounds very nice now out of the amp :mrgreen: USB recording is also ok, but the amp sound is a bit better.


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