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Post subject: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:18 am
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Also what is your favorite reverb?


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:59 am
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I think the reverbs are fine. I just use a minimal amount of the Hall reverb. No matter what reverb you use, using too much of it can lead to a lot of mush and the definition goes right down the toilet. Less is more, I say.

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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:13 pm
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In my opinion the reverbs are poor in the mustangs,i have other multi effect units and most of them are older units like my digitech TSR-12 that came out around 1994 witch has much better reverbs then the ones in the mustang,my boss GT-3 also has better reverbs then the mustangs.

I would not listen to anyone here who has nothing to compare there mustang reverbs to and then say how good the reverbs sound,you have to have other multi effect and guitar effects processors so you can compare and hear how poor the reverbs really are in the mustangs,the other effects in the mustangs are not so bad and some are pretty good but fender should improve on the reverbs in the mustang in a firmware update if it is possible.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:49 pm
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I have professional experience with Lexicon 480Ls, PCM-80,90, MPX-1, TC Electronics Reverb 2000, Audio Ease Altiverb, UAD-1 Realverb Pro and they all have their uses in the studio.
We are talking about a guitar amp here and a fairly inexpensive one at that. If I really need a better reverb sound when I'm playing live I'll patch one in at the mixing board. Actually, scratch that. I'll use one of the many excellent ones in my Presonus 16.4.2. The reality however, is that in most live situations, the quality if the reverb is completely moot. There are so many other more important things to be concerned about when playing live and reverb is waaaaay down on the list.
In the studio, why would anyone even worry about the quality of the Mustangs' reverbs when there are so many great ones available in the DAW or in outboard gear? Also Metalman50, how can you compare dedicated multi-effects units, no matter how old, to an amplifier that happens to include digital effects? :roll:

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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:06 am
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Orcatraz you said:In the studio, why would anyone even worry about the quality of the Mustangs' reverbs when there are so many great ones available in the DAW or in outboard gear? Also Metalman50, how can you compare dedicated multi-effects units, no matter how old, to an amplifier that happens to include digital effects?

I have many other effects units and guitar processors with reverb plus other effects and if you want to compare apples to apples how about the digitech RP series of guitar processors and boss GT series for example, i already mentioned my GT-3 and it came out in 1999 and now in the year 2012 we have the mustang floorboard and if the reverbs are the same as the mustang amps then fender really needs to improve on them because the units previously mentioned sound much better.

For clean and even some overdrive tones reverb is the most used effect in my opinion and it does matter how good that it sounds with your amp,i use it myself a lot on the mustang clean amp models and i do not want to buy any additional multi effects processors or reverb units to use with it,my other gear is used with my studio setup and other amp setups so i am not going to use these multi effects units with my mustang I or V.

A poor reverb can make your mustang sound not as good as it should after you tweaked your amps settings in fuse for that great tone that took many hours or days to create,it just makes no sense for the mustangs to have poor reverbs when there amp modeling is very good and many buy these amps for there good fender clean amp models and if you play out at live gigs you at least want the reverbs to sound good.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:38 am
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I like the reverb sounds on my Mustang II just fine. Previously I was using a Vibrolux. I'm not too fussy about things, if I can get a decent twang sound I like I'm happy.

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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:45 am
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Metalman50 wrote:
A poor reverb can make your mustang sound not as good as it should after you tweaked your amps settings in fuse for that great tone that took many hours or days to create,it just makes no sense for the mustangs to have poor reverbs when there amp modeling is very good and many buy these amps for there good fender clean amp models and if you play out at live gigs you at least want the reverbs to sound good.


As I said, when playing live there are lots of options for reverbs at the mixing board. With that in mind, I can't understand your fixation on the quality of the Mustangs' on-board reverbs. To me, a "not so great sounding" reverb on an amp is not going to ruin great sounding amp models. For me, it's all about the amp and I'll say again, a very inexpensive one at that.

As for your comparing Boss and Digitech products to the Fender's Mustangs, both of those companies have years of experience making dedicated multi-effects units. Digitech in particular has an unfair advantage in that their parent company Harman International also owns Lexicon and they allow Digitech access to Lexicon's technologies - it's even advertized on some of their products. That's a very serious advantage.
Now, name one dedicated multi-effects unit that Fender is famous for. I'm not talking about tube driven spring reverb tanks. I'm talking about digital multi-effects or even just a digital reverb unit. I think you'll find exactly zero.

The reverbs in the other devices may be superior (that's completely subjective) to Fender's but their modeling of Fender's classic amps are not even in the same ballpark as the Mustangs'. I for one am glad that Fender concentrated on getting the models right first. While they may not be as smooth as a Digitech's Lexicon powered reverbs, I have heard far far worse. I got rid of my GSP1101 after I had the Mustang in the studio and can use far better reverbs in my DAW on the Mustang than what the GSP could provide.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:39 am
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You are right about using different and better reverbs from your daw and computer plugins if you record your mustang into your computer but many do not have there mustangs near or hooked up to there computers and they just want to plug in and jam with there favorite presets,and i do not use my mustang V that much anymore for the clean amp models because of the poor sounding reverbs,i am using the high gain models more with my mustang V because i do not use the reverbs with my metal tones.

My mustang I is not so bad with the reverbs because i play it at a much lower volume but with my mustang V played at higher volumes i can really hear that the reverbs are muddy and have a poor reverb decay time to them.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:02 pm
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I am going to dig a little deeper into the mustang reverbs and go through all the reverbs and do some in depth tweaking and see if i could get them to sound better,it has been a while since i tweaked and compared the mustang reverbs to my other effects units,maybe i missed something with the reverbs that can make them sound better.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:27 am
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SKcoppertele wrote:
did anybod listen to my samples. that is the amp miced.once again,I love the verb on it. :roll:



Yes, SKcoppertele. I did and I liked them. Sorry I did not mention it sooner.

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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:39 am
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I'm finding a little goes a long way with my Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:53 am
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I tried to make the reverbs sound good in my mustang V but i cannot even after tweaking them,i am starting to think that i may have a defective processing circuit for my reverbs in my mustang V because of how really poor they sound.

The reverbs in my mustang I do not sound as bad compared to the reverbs in my mustang V. The fizz may not be the only problems with the mustang III-V.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:05 am
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oxfan wrote:
I'm finding a little goes a long way with my Mustang.

Agreed.

I guess I'm not much of a reverb kind of guy. Or maybe I just don't know what "good" reverb is supposed to sound like. But I only just like to use it subtley. For that I think the Mustangs do a good job.


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Post subject: Re: What do you think of the reverb on the Mustang Amps?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:55 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
oxfan wrote:
I'm finding a little goes a long way with my Mustang.

Agreed.

I guess I'm not much of a reverb kind of guy. Or maybe I just don't know what "good" reverb is supposed to sound like. But I only just like to use it subtley. For that I think the Mustangs do a good job.


Although I do know what good reverb is, I agree with you and oxfan. A little does go a long way. To me, the best parts about good reverb sounds are completely lost when it's trying to be reproduced on a guitar amp. Guitar speakers are way too limited in their frequency response to fully reproduce all the subtleties of a good reverb so what's the point? Guitar speakers are not designed to be high fidelity, in fact they're typically designed with complete and intentional disregard for fidelity. They sound great for guitars but that's about it.

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