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Post subject: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:00 pm
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Loren/Alan,

I have a Mustang III and IV and while I really like the sound and versatility of these amps and use them professionally, the 4 button and 2 button pedals are limiting in as much as only being able to access 3 Q.A.'s at a time and the switches being too close together. While some of us have requested a more versatile pedal, Fender has taken another course and released the Mustang Floor.

This unit has the versatility and size and spacing that is needed. My problem is, that I don't want to purchase the Mustang Floor if it means that I have to then sell my Mustang Amps to purchase a standard non DSP amp.

My question is, have you guys tested running the Mustang Floor through a 3,4 or 5 and disabling all settings other than a basic amp model (65 Twin with all EQ's set flat) to see how this combination can work.

I know this means running a DSP through a DSP, but will this work and sound OK. It would certainly give some of us complainers the control pedal we are after without sacrificing the amp purchases we have already made.

Thanks in advance.
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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:57 pm
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8Beggars,
It sounds a bit overkill to me but doesn't the MIV have an effects loop and so couldn't you just run the M-Floor's output into the effects return?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:28 am
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I guess there is no reason why not, as Orcatraz says; just seems a bit odd. Aren't you potentially paying for a whole bunch of DSP capacity that will go unused ?

In effect you want to run a 'Mustang IV' through a Mustang IV, just to use the switching functions of the floor version.

If that is really what you are trying to achieve, why not buy the Floor and replace the Mustang IV amp with a good-sounding non-modelling amp, given that the Floor would have all of the IV's amp models on-board anyway ?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:18 am
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depepat wrote:
I guess there is no reason why not, as Orcatraz says; just seems a bit odd. Aren't you potentially paying for a whole bunch of DSP capacity that will go unused ?

In effect you want to run a 'Mustang IV' through a Mustang IV, just to use the switching functions of the floor version.

If that is really what you are trying to achieve, why not buy the Floor and replace the Mustang IV amp with a good-sounding non-modelling amp, given that the Floor would have all of the IV's amp models on-board anyway ?


My thoughts exactly Mr. D.
However, there is one possibly interesting outcome of combining the two. If you connect the two units using the "4 Cable Method" popularized by the Boss GT-Xs, you can sort of get a bit more DSP and add one more effect in the signal chain. For example, you could set up an overdrive pedal on the M-Floor and a Compressor on the M-IV - something that is not currently possible with just the amp. You could also create a preset that combines the sounds of two different amp models in one preset - not always easy to control but can be sonically interesting. Imagine a Twin feeding a Deluxe or vice-versa. Combining two different distorting amps can produce some very cool sounds but I think you have to be careful and not try to use one amp to overdrive the other. That often leads to mush. I sorta do this with my GT-8 and the MII


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:54 am
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Guys,

Your comments are valid and I do understand, but I really want to continue using the Mustang IV but like others on this forum, I want to be able to have many presets set next to one another. At the moment you can only get access to 3 and if you wanted to use a different set of presets, you have to run the 2 button as well as the 4 button pedals and believe me, it is easy to stuff up your selections with this work around.

The Mustang floor unit gives you the flexibilty of control. Yes I could sell the Mustang IV, but that would mean loosing money on that purchase and then having to not only buy the Mustang Floor, but also another new amp and that's what I'm trying to avoid.

Also, Orcatraz is right, the one thing that you can't do on the Mustang amps that most guitar players use, is a combination of overdrive and a compressor and this would solve that problem and save me forking out money on yet another pedal to run in the chain.

There are other benifits as well, but these are my main reasons for asking the question of the Fender team. Also, there may be some quite intersting preset combinations possible and what muso doesn't like to experiment and create there own suite of sounds.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:33 am
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This brings me to the one thing that I wish was included in the M-Floor; an amp control jack like the one in my GT-8. Although my MII only has two switchable channels, the GT-8 can switch the MII's channels and is programmable per preset! Since the GT-8 really has two sounds per preset, I basically have eight sounds available to me on each bank!
An MIII would be even more flexible with its included effects loop but let's not go down that "treacherous road" of why I haven't bought one. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:00 am
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See my post titled "Mustang floor into Mustang IV". It features an absolutely cherished response from Fender.

I have raised the same concern about the floor controllers and there short-comings on a few posts here as have many others.

These Fender control boards are an absolute pain live on stage. many have asked for a decent multi-function board to control these amps and what response did we get from Fender. "The Mustang Floor" yet another product to blow your hard earned cash on.

But lets face it. As a company, you don't earn dollars by spending too much time on a customer whose dollars you have already secured. Better to create another product and chase down some new greedy green dollars.

So Alan / Loren, stick it were you deserve it, I just found a product that will do what I need and a company that for the moment at least, does listen to it's customers.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor into Mustang IV
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 am
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Thanks for the kind words 8Beggars.

To answer your original question, no we have not connected a Floor to the input of a III, IV, or V. Those inputs are designed for a guitar, not a line level signal. We have, however, connected a Floor to the FX return of a Mustang IV with great results.

Good luck with your new product.

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