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Post subject: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:28 pm
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First of all, I'm new on these forums so hi :).

Anyways, I got a Mustang V head today, and I'm playing it through a Marshall 4x12 cab with Celestion G12T-75 speakers.

I'm new to modeling amps, so bare with me here for a sec. But I find it hard to find a good balance between the presets so I can keep my master Volume the same all throughout.

My master volume is currently set at 2.5, which works for a lot of the presets, but there's some presets I try to use, and they either sound very muffled like there's not enough volume going through my speakers, or they're so hard with massive amounts of feedback I can't stand using them for longer than a few seconds. (mostly the high gain ones)

I was wondering if this is normal, or if there's something I can do against it? Maybe it's my cab with the 75W speakers that's just too loud and I'm better off with the actual Mustang cab ? (or replacing the speakers in my cab with lower power ones)

I'm loving the tones this amp offers, but some of the high gain stuff I just can't play cause of the amounts of feedback I get, or they don't seem to cut through nicely.. kinda like they're at too low of a volume to be played at. changing the volume on those in the preset affects the tone too much, and changing the master volume just leads me to either of the problems again.

I'm seriously lost on what I can do so I can fully enjoy all the presets this amp offers. Maybe I just need to get used to it being a modeling amp and fiddle with the seperate controls within the presets some more, but still..


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:26 pm
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There is a huge volume difference in particular between the clean amp presets like the Twin, and the presets based on the more commonly driven amps.

Supposedly this is more 'authentic', but I suspect is more about wowing schoolboys in the guitar shop when they try the high gain models. Whatever the reason, in practice it can be a pita when switching between presets of the two types, especially for something like live playing in a cover band where you may want to use a wide range of both clean and driven sounds during a gig.

There is no easy way round it other than to use the volume control and your ears to try to equalise the volumes as far as possible and then save each when you are happy. You could also play with the gain control but that will also impact on the tone, which may be less desirable if you want a driven sound.


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:33 pm
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I have the 1960 Lead cabinet loaded with G12T-75s just like you, but I have my Marshall hooked up to it. I also have the Mustang V head, currently hooked up to the Fender V412 cabinet with Rocket 50s.

The Rocket 50s really are a "cheap" speaker as far as Celestion speakers go. G12Ts aren't much more expensive, but they were made for high-gain amps like Marshall, Mesa, Peavey, or Hughes & Kettner. Now, the big difference between these speakers is in the frequency response curve. The Rocket 50 has a fairly flat FR curve, where as the G12Ts are "scooped." I do not mean that they have less mids. They're probably the same in that respect. What I mean is that the G12T really enunciates the Bass and Treble frequencies, so they're naturally louder.

If you look closely at the "hi-gain" amp model settings on your M5 head, you should notice that they ALL pretty much scoop the EQ sound already. So when you pair this up with the G12T, it makes it even worse. The Rocket 50, with the flatter curve, helps tame those shrill highs instead. It's not a better speaker, but it IS a better FIT for the amp at this point.

Now, this is all being said without diving into the advanced amp setting of your M5, where you can change out the speaker cabinet simulations. These cabinet simulations directly act as a frequency filter, changing which areas of the FR curve are pronounced and which areas are tamed BEFORE going out to the speakers. This helps emulate different speakers for different uses. For example, I'll give you a run-down of the amps and their "default" cabinets.

'57 Fender Champ - CHAMP (1x8")
'57 Fender Deluxe - 57DLX (1x12")
'59 Fender Bassman - BSSMN (4x10" Jensen speakers)
'65 Fender Princeton - 65PRN (1x10" Jensen C10R)
'65 Fender Deluxe Reverb - 65DLX (1x12" Jensen C12Q)
'65 Fender Twin Reverb - 65TWN (2x12" Jensen C12N)
Fender Super-Sonic - SS112 (1x12" Vintage 30)
British '60s (VOX AC30) - 2x12C (unknown, possibly Alnico Golds)
British '70s (Marshall Plexi) - 4x12G (4x12" Greenback speakers)
British '80s (Marshall JCM800) - 4x12M (4x12" G12T-75 speakers)
American '90s (Mesa Dual-Rectifier) - 4x12V (4x12" Vintage 30 speakers)
2000 Metal (Peavey 5150) - 4x12G

The SS212 cabinet is the Super-Sonic 2x12" with Eminence Speakers instead of the 1x12" Vintage 30 in the SS112 cabinet.

Have you tried changing these to see how it changes the amp's sound output?

Also, another helpful tip....other than changing the EQ (to give you more MIDs, for example), you also have the "Volume" control on the amp (not to be confused with the "MASTER" volume control). This setting is saved to the preset, where the Master Volume is not saved and is constant across all presets. The VOLUME setting on the preset is there so you can adjust each presets volume IN RELATION to the other presets around it, so you won't suddenly get rediculously loud during a song...or have the amp drop down so quiet that you can't hear yourself playing with the rest of the band at all.

Also note that I'm NOT talking about the "Master Volume" control in Fender FUSE for some amps. THAT knob emulates the "master volume" knob on the amp model itself, allowing you to push for more "power-tube" overdrive instead of pre-amp overdrive sounds. But that's getting WAY into details. I only mention it so that if you already know about those, you know that I'm NOT talking about them.

This is a big post, but it has lots of good content. Try out some of my suggestions and get back to us. Too many people fix their problems and never post back so those of us who try to help just get left wondering...

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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:49 am
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thanks, I did try changing the "cabinets" around a bit, but I haven't tried it too extensively yet. after all, I've only had it since yesterday, and rather then wasting time fiddling with what annoyed me, I'd rather enjoy it on the first day I had it.

I did notice a change in sound, some of them sounded more lively when I changed it, but then they required some tweaking to the patch itself to really get the sound out of it that I want, so I didn't dive into that too much yet.

anyways, I'll try out your suggestions and post back when I find something that really works.


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:33 am
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alright, so i've been playing around with it all afternoon, and I've found some fixes.

on the presets/patches that sounded kinda muffled, i just had to change the cab, to make it sound more lively with some minor tweaks here and there to the settings as changing the cab does have an effect on the sound.


I can't seem to find a fix for the presets that keep giving me huge feedback problems though. well, I can turn my guitar volume or Master Volume of the amp almost completely down to get rid of the feedback, but then I get the muffled sound like the other presets, so still no luck there.

I've tried changing the master volume in the preset itself, tried changing cabs, everything.. but nothing gets rid of the feedback other then changing the entire preset and getting rid of some effects..


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:14 am
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lorenznijs,you should try to adjust your noise gate to reduce the feedback you are getting,set it to a higher noise reduction level,if that does not work you may have microphonic pickups in your guitar and you should replace them.

It is mainly the bridge pickup that causes the feedback(microphonic)problem,i just bought a crunchy pat overwound humbucker wax potted pickup for 25.00 from http://www.guitarfetish.com

This pickup sounds very good when i put it in my 2001 PRS Santana SE(the original pickup in my PRS was microphonic and the feedback was really bad on the high gain amp models in my mustang V,with the new GFS pickup in my PRS it sounds better and i have no more feedback problems.


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:43 am
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When I'm playing on my M5 with the volume turned up (read: loud) on any of my hi-gain presets, I get feedback too. It's inherent to the nature of hi-gain...especially if you're sitting too close to the speaker cabinet and facing it. Here's some tips to see:

Face away from the M5 while playing.

Step away from the M5 while playing, roughly 10 feet.

If doing those gets rid of the feedback, then it's just the normal feedback of the amp/guitar. I will say, though, that I usually don't get that kind of feedback from my Marshall tube amp, but then again, I'm usually never in front of it. It's THAT LOUD (even at Master Volume 1).

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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:10 am
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I did try setting the noise gate to max but it's still there. I have made some slight improvements so far though.

But yeah, I'm starting to think it's just the nature of the preset, and there's really nothing that can be done about it other then changing the EQ or getting rid of some effects. There's only 3 presets now where it really bugs me, so I guess I'll just suck it up and let it be. I still need to make some patches of my own anyways which I'd probably like more than the presets.

Thanks for the help though, appreciate it.


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:48 am
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lorenznijs,You did not mention anything about your pickups? What type or brand are you using now? In my previous post i mentioned about the crunchy pat pickups from www.guitarfetish.com

Did you ever consider that your pickups may be causing the feedback problem?


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:28 am
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Is the V head hooked up to the USB or a computer interface or mixer and are you monitoring the head through a DAW while you are playing through the cabinet too?


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:45 am
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I never had feedback problems with my Marshall or other amps I played, so I doubt it's the pickups. But currently I have a Dimarzio ToneZone in the bridge, a Dimarzio PAF Pro in the neck, and a standard Ibanez single coil in the middle.

The amp is not hooked up to anything other than my cabinet when I play and experience the feedback issues. It's my guitar, my amp and my cabinet, nothing more.


But as I said, it's currently just 3 presets, I keep forgetting which ones, but I believe one is the 70's Fusion Lead or something along those lines.


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:21 am
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How close are you to the cab when you notice the feedback?

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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 am
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my guitar cable is 10 meters long and I've tried it from the full distance 10 meters away and still had it. I'd say that's about 20-30 feet?


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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:42 pm
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You were probably standing about 28 feet away like that. At that distance, the amp would have to be cranked pretty loud to get feedback. Something's wrong.

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Post subject: Re: just got a Mustang V, some questions
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:02 am
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sorry for my late replies, I've been really busy lately.

but if something was really wrong, wouldn't I have it on all the presets?

anyways, it doesn't really matter anymore as I used the presets I had it on and replaced it with my own presets.

the amp sounds perfectly fine for the rest, so..


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