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Post subject: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:07 am
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Played for 5 minutes and prety much didnt like it.

I have a 2x12 cab(8ohm) with Red Fang and Wizard speakers that sound wonderful with all my other amp heads. I have adapters that I have used on big amps with attenuater. So I did a quick jump from the amp to my 2x12 out of curiousity.

Sounded realy bad...some of the clean Fender tones were close to meh..okay, but any dirty settings were far to bright and sounded realy awful.

Only had that pluged in for a few minutes and hooked the factory speaker back in....and all was good in the world again :lol:

So just thought I would share my seat of my pants tone findings while probably voiding my warrentee on my 3 day old amp :oops: :P

But i am glad I tryed this. I am still concidering another Mustang. And where I allready have the 2x12, I was realy tempted to get a V and then add a 1x15 cab to go with it. But this tells me that it would probably been unhappy end result on my part had I assumed my own cabs would be okay.


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:11 pm
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wwit wrote:
Played for 5 minutes and prety much didnt like it.[...]


Did it make any difference (good or bad) if you turned off the cab simulations (or tried different ones)?

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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:26 pm
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PITA wrote:
wwit wrote:
Played for 5 minutes and prety much didnt like it.[...]


Did it make any difference (good or bad) if you turned off the cab simulations (or tried different ones)?

PITA


^^ This ^^

I've had the misfortune to try modelling amps through normal speakers with the cabinet emulation still switched on, it's horrible. :lol: Normally improves a lot when you switch everything off and tweak the EQ a bit to a much more natural setting.


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:51 am
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PITA wrote:
wwit wrote:
Played for 5 minutes and prety much didnt like it.[...]


Did it make any difference (good or bad) if you turned off the cab simulations (or tried different ones)?

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I didnt turn them off, but I did try a few different cab sims. It compleatly lost the "feel" it has with the stock speaker. I only spent a short time..litterly 5-10 minutes tops before popping off the adapter and re-attaching the speaker wires. It sounded so bad that I decided I wouldnt spend/waste anymore time on it.

Oh and just to add, my 2x12 is an 8ohm cab so no miss matching effecting sound. Being a lifelong tinkerer, I love experimenting with different things, but in this case, Im gonna just leave it alone and dont fix what aint broken :lol: 8)


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:22 am
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wwit wrote:
I didnt turn them off, but I did try a few different cab sims. It compleatly lost the "feel" it has with the stock speaker. I only spent a short time..litterly 5-10 minutes tops before popping off the adapter and re-attaching the speaker wires. It sounded so bad that I decided I wouldnt spend/waste anymore time on it.

Oh and just to add, my 2x12 is an 8ohm cab so no miss matching effecting sound. Being a lifelong tinkerer, I love experimenting with different things, but in this case, Im gonna just leave it alone and dont fix what aint broken :lol: 8)


If you ever get a chance to, check out the Eminence Cannabis Rex. I love it in my MII.

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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:53 pm
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PITA wrote:
Did it make any difference (good or bad) if you turned off the cab simulations (or tried different ones)?

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wwit wrote:

I didnt turn them off, but I did try a few different cab sims. It compleatly lost the "feel" it has with the stock speaker.


Seriously, try again with the cab sims off - they're designed to work with the stock speaker, which is much more flat response than most guitar speakers.

By running the cab sims through your 2x12", you were technically simulating a speaker running though another speaker - Been there, done that, I would have given up long before 5-10 minutes, I agree, it sounds and feels awful. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:33 am
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I find this very interesting. For one thing, the stock speaker in the MIII is a Celestion G12T-100, which is a standard production Celestion model...in other words, it's not a special speaker for the Mustang, or modelling amps in general...it's certainly not a full-range speaker. It's just a guitar speaker.

So, there's no real reason to turn off the cab sims when using another speaker cabinet...unless you just want to.

While I tried an MIII in the store, I don't have much experience with one. I have an MI, and I will say that this particular amp truly benefits from an external speaker cab. I've got 3 different cabs, one with Celestion greenbacks, one with a Weber 12F150, and one with a Warehouse ET-65. They all sound pretty good, and definitely better than the stock 8" speaker in the MI.

However, the Celestion in the MII is a pretty good speaker to begin with, so I can see that some cabs might not be an improvement over that. But in general, I wouldn't dismiss hooking any of the Mustang amps up to an external cab.


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:04 am
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Muleya wrote:
I find this very interesting. For one thing, the stock speaker in the MIII is a Celestion G12T-100, which is a standard production Celestion model...in other words, it's not a special speaker for the Mustang, or modelling amps in general...it's certainly not a full-range speaker. It's just a guitar speaker


If it is indeed a G12T-100, they have a massively extended top end for a guitar speaker, probably even more so than the 70/80's in the IV. Most other guitar speakers sound like a sock in comparison. It may be a standard production Celestion, but it's certainly not one of their better ones for general amp use, hinted at by the tiny price tag.

Having played my old Mustang IV through several other drivers, none of them sounded any good at all with the speaker emulation switched in. Turn it off, and it sounded like a normal amp again. So I do speak from practical experience. :)


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:28 pm
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Well, the Specs on Fender's website clearly state Celestion G12T-100. I don't see a problem with that and the price of the Mustang III. A G12T-100 would cost you around $100-$130 retail (and right now Avatar Speakers is knocking them out at $59 a pop), and you know Fender gets them for less than that, so it doesn't seem a stretch price-wise to me. However, I think it would be safe to say that it's NOT been customized for Fender...that would certainly ADD to their cost and I don't think there's enough of a margin in the retail price of an MIII to cover that.

Also the G12T-100 is a higher powered version of the G12T-75, which is known for it's "sizzling" highs, so that makes sense with what you are saying.

BTW, the G12T-100 is, by all accounts, a good quality speaker. You may not like it's tone compared to some other speakers, but it's on par with the quality of Celestion's best known speakers. It's certainly a better quality speaker than the Rocket 50 which is used in the Mustang 4x12 cab. The Rocket 50s are also just basic guitar speakers, not specially voiced for the Mustang or modellers.

But tone is very personal, so I don't doubt you when you say you prefer to turn the cab sims off. Personally, I play my Mustang I through other speaker cabs with the speaker sims on with good results...certainly better than the stock speaker. However, if I find time this weekend, I may try it with the speaker sims off, just for comparison.


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Post subject: Re: Out of curiousity, tryed my MIII with 2x12 cab
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:20 pm
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Okay, curiousity got the best of me, so I tried turning off the cab sims and hooking up to my cabs...this is definitely not for me!! Talk about lots of high end!! The speaker sims roll off a lot of the high end, which is typical of most modelers, so it was pretty much what I expected. I tried it with multiple cabs with the same results.

It could be made to work with the clean tones, and by rolling off some treble I got some decent clean tones with the Twin and Deluxe Reverb models. But that did not work for me with any of the gainier tones...turning the treble all the way down was not not enough! So, for me at least, I need the speaker sims to keep those tones from being raspy.

Obviously tones are subjective, so not everyone will do the same thing. But for me, I'll be leaving the speaker sims on whether I'm using an extension cab or not!! :D


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