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Post subject: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:20 pm
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Now with NAMM and about a 50/50 shot of getting fizz, can anyone answer if it's been fixed?


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:42 pm
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I just picked up my new MIII yesterday from GC. Ive spent probably close to 9 hours playing through mainly the high gain presets. Both the amp presets and the Fuse software too. Ive messed with adding gain, cranking volumes and masters.

So far so good. Ive been cranking on this thing and NO FIZZ :D Ive never had so much fun with an amp as Im having with this.

Now that said. Ive read these forums along with a lot of other guitar related for info on the Mustang amps, so I new going that there is a possible issue with some amps. But Im guessing as like most things on the internet, its get blown out of proportion. Most happy customers dont bother spreading their excitment on the web, but the complainors sure come out of the woodwork to vent their frustrations anonomously.

While messing with this amp, it cant be made to fizz or sizzle and sound nasty. Diming gain knobs and volumes and sit to close to the amp and it will sound nasty....just like a normal tube amp does if you do the same.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:04 pm
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Maybe I should have been more specific. I do not play at high gain. I only care if it fizz's on a Twin with a splash of reverb.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:15 pm
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Well if you go by what Fender said in their official statement about the fizz, they never had any intention of trying to fix it. They, in more or less words, said that its an insignificant anomaly and most people will not even notice it.

At this point I think its safe to say that statement is holding true. My amp fizzes, (heard best on single ringing notes) but I can play a clean twin preset all day and never notice it. If I had my heart set on a Mustang and was worried about fizz, I'd go with a I or II, as they don't fizz.

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Even though I think the Mustang III is the best modeling amp currently available in terms of tone, features, and price - if I was shopping around right now, I'd wait to see what comes out of NAMM.


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:26 pm
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I just tryed that setting along with some of the other cleans and I only get noise if I dime all the volumes in the sim and on the amp. Most of the noise I get is from a ground issue in either my guitar or cable. But diming the amp to max sounds just like any amp costing 10x as much while doing the same thing.

Are the Mustangs supposed to be dead quiet? I ask because I honestly dont know. Ive owned many tube and SS amps over the years and they all make some noise. What I hear from this MIII is nothing surprising to me. Again while diming all the volumes, and rolling off the guitar volume knob, its does quiet right down.


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:44 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
Well if you go by what Fender said in their official statement about the fizz, they never had any intention of trying to fix it. They, in more or less words, said that its an insignificant anomaly and most people will not even notice it.

At this point I think its safe to say that statement is holding true. My amp fizzes, (heard best on single ringing notes) but I can play a clean twin preset all day and never notice it. If I had my heart set on a Mustang and was worried about fizz, I'd go with a I or II, as they don't fizz.

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Even though I think the Mustang III is the best modeling amp currently available in terms of tone, features, and price - if I was shopping around right now, I'd wait to see what comes out of NAMM.


I am not sold on one, I have a mustang I that I use while the kids are sleeping, and figured if the fizz was fixed I would buy one, if not I would look elsewhere.

No skin off my back.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:57 pm
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The new firmware really makes a big difference.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:04 pm
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I found that if you use high quality instrument and patch chords all the way through the signal chain plus use noise reduction at the guitar, the first effect in the sound chain, with no ground loops or excessive ambient electrical noise, you can minimize the fizz dramatically.

I used a Behringer 1/4" x 2 in > XLR balanced out DI box and flicked the ground lift and discovered there is indeed a ground loop.

Thus far, the only device that's susceptible to or is causing the fizz is the V itself, nothing else in this elaborate signal chain, having the Zoom G9.2tt 2 x 12ax7, 96-bit processing unit to compare it too via the same TASCAM device and from the same Furman power source and even through the V effects loop itself. If I record from the V effects loop out with the Zoom, there's no fizz. So, the ground loop itself seems to be in the somewhere in or pre V DSP.

Has the fizz been fixed? It will cost at least...$300.00 $418.00 more at today's retail price for a good recording device to overcome the crippled Fender USB, a di-box with a ground lift to compensate for the ground loop in the V, really good cables, noise reduction at the guitar if you use humbuckers, if you use single coils you'll need a single coin hum and static canceler too meaning up to $418.00 more to have a fizzless, seamless V experience!

So, the question is...is this safe? If we use the DI box to compensate for a ground loop in the V amp and use the ground lift, are we at risk for electrocution? :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:28 pm
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IOW, the fizz has not been fixed. You can drop a couple hundred to minimize it, according to post below, or you can simply eliminate it completely, as I did, by getting rid of the amp. Fender has stated they know where fizz occurs, but they have never explicitly released details of that information and claim it is part of the design specification of the MIII-V amps. I'd certainly be wary of any product based on that technology without very explicit statements from Fender about the existing problem and what steps they have taken to address the issue -- or why it is not applicable to new products based on that technology.

If they know what is causing it, why won't they tell us, or provide assurances that the issue is not present in newly released products? Is that really too much to ask?

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I found that if you use high quality instrument and patch chords all the way through the signal chain plus use noise reduction at the guitar, the first effect in the sound chain, with no ground loops or excessive ambient electrical noise, you can minimize the fizz dramatically.

I used a Behringer 1/4" x 2 in > XLR balanced out DI box and flicked the ground lift and discovered there is indeed a ground loop.

Thus far, the only device that's susceptible to or is causing the fizz is the V itself, nothing else in this elaborate signal chain, having the Zoom G9.2tt 2 x 12ax7, 96-bit processing unit to compare it too via the same TASCAM device and from the same Furman power source and even through the V effects loop itself. If I record from the V effects loop out with the Zoom, there's no fizz. So, the ground loop itself seems to be in the somewhere in or pre V DSP.

Has the fizz been fixed? It will cost at least...$300.00 $418.00 more at today's retail price for a good recording device to overcome the crippled Fender USB, a di-box with a ground lift to compensate for the ground loop in the V, really good cables, noise reduction at the guitar if you use humbuckers, if you use single coils you'll need a single coin hum and static canceler too meaning up to $418.00 more to have a fizzless, seamless V experience!

So, the question is...is this safe? If we use the DI box to compensate for a ground loop in the V amp and use the ground lift, are we at risk for electrocution? :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:23 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
if I was shopping around right now, I'd wait to see what comes out of NAMM.
No amps in the category came out of NAMM.


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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:32 am
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mpr wrote:
Scorpaeon wrote:
if I was shopping around right now, I'd wait to see what comes out of NAMM.
No amps in the category came out of NAMM.


While making up my mind, I also waited pateintly to see if there would be any new modeling amps to concider from the namm show too. By friday night it didnt appear to be anything realy new and exciting that would fit my needs.

Now as I sit here looking at my amp, it just accured to me, that what little noise I am getting is probably self created. For convience sake I have my amp less than an inch away from my PC. My PC has a noisey 200mm front fan no more than 3 inches from the rear of the speaker. Just that alone could create issues, let alone all the other fans, power supply and motherboard all less than a foot away.

HHmmmm, I think Ill find a longer USB cable and see what happens if I move these 2 apart.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:44 am
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mpr wrote:
Scorpaeon wrote:
if I was shopping around right now, I'd wait to see what comes out of NAMM.
No amps in the category came out of NAMM.

Hmmmm, I wonder what happened to Line6? I thought they they were supposed to have another one of their ground breaking announcements. It looks like they didn't even show up.

I don't know how much the Fender Super Champ X2 was showcased at NAMM, but I would have thought Mustang fans (especially ones who are concerned about fizz) would be very interested in it. I don't know what, if any, design improvements were made over the SCXD besides the FUSE connectivity, but that alone makes it a contender I think. A couple other significant differences from the Mustang - It's made in Mexico (as opposed to China) and it has different pre amp and power amp sections (with real tubes). <--I don't recall any reports of fizz on the original SCXD. But I also don't recall off the top of my head how satisfied people were with the cleans. I'm looking forward to seeing some more reviews of the SCX2.


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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:30 am
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Line6 did show their groundbreaking thing. It's just not interesting in terms of amps or modeling. :) I'm guessing Spider5 is about a year away, so that wasn't expected.

I'm not interested in SuperChamp X2. Tubes, no FX loop, 10". I don't mind where it's manufactured. Specs and QC standards would be set by the company that orders the job, I suppose.


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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:00 am
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Hey All,

I'd definitely recommend the SCX2 to anyone that isn't satisfied with their Mustang. To me, it has the best of both worlds; tube preamp and output sections with great modeling technology in between. It is also compatible with Fender FUSE through a very soon to be released software update. It's surely worth checking out.

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Post subject: Re: Has the fizz been fixed yet?
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:45 am
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Hey All,

I'd definitely recommend the SCX2 to anyone that isn't satisfied with their Mustang. To me, it has the best of both worlds; tube preamp and output sections with great modeling technology in between. It is also compatible with Fender FUSE through a very soon to be released software update. It's surely worth checking out.


Dear Loren,

We all realize your hands are tied and that you are caught in the middle when it comes to this Mustang fizz controversy, but before those of us with "discerning ears" give up on the MIII altogether, can you give us any inkling at all as to whether there's any reason to stick around? What would be your non-binding, unofficial, personal opinion? What would you do if you were in our shoes? A wink, a nod, a silent gesture...anything!

Abandoning all hope of a fix or improvement and heading off to Craigslist is what we'll do if this is truly the end of the Mustang line. Even that alternative is quickly becoming less attractive--there are already two used MIII's for sale on my local Craigslist.

It's really sad--a year ago this forum was awash with euphoric optimism about the Mustang line. People were selling their tube amps and effects pedals left and right. The total demise of the tube amp was predicted to be imminent. Fender was taking the worldwide amp market by storm. There was no reason to own anything else.

Now there's little left but bitterness, disappointment, resentment and complaints. It could all be so easily remedied by offering refunds to those who find the fizz unbearable and unacceptable. After all, it's not like it was something we were aware of when we purchased our amps.

This Mustang III debacle will someday make a good Business School case for how to mismanage customer relations.

Anyway Loren, we don't expect you to say much, but the courtesy of some kind of reply would be greatly appreciated.

Faithfully (for the time being),
Cormorant


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