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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:26 am
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Fender is not currently covering fizz in the MIII-V under warranty. They consider it an inherent characteristic of the MIII-V amps.

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Isn't it covered under the warranty?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:51 am
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It looks pretty sweet. I was wondering and hoping they would come out with a floorboard option. Seems logical for them to enter this market since many companies (Line6, Boss, etc.) who make floorboards have modeled Fender's amps. I've been very happy with my Mustang II but not having the ability to switch effects off and on bothered me. I'm already considering trading in my mustang which I've had for a year for this floorboard. I have another amp I can run it through since this floorboard has the option to turn amp modeling off. I can also run it through my monitors or headphones as well. It has an aux input so I can play the backing tracks too. I'd be curious if others will do the same and wonder if sales will decline for the MII's. A looper would have been great! Maybe there will be Mustang Floorboards II III IV and V!


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:41 am
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Hmmm - idea looks veeeery familiar...

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http://www.dv247.com/guitars/fender-mus ... dal--93188

Selling for £249 (UK) which is more than a Mustang III at £200-218 retail. Good value? Does it have the dreaded fizz? (I'm assuming not)

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The original Vox Tonelab SE has valve tone, 2 pedals (volume/expression), 16 amp models plus 22 effects, comes with gigbag and sounds superb. Second hand prices - probably less than half the MIII floorboard.

The MIII sounded very good too, but lacked the valve dynamics of the Valvetronix. I'd need to try the Mustang floor board of course (which I'm sure sounds great) but I'd expect a similar tonal/response difference as compared to the TLSE.

I mentioned in my MIII review that the modeling in the MIII was uncannily like the modeling in my AD120VTX Valvetronix. The TLSE was the floorbased version of the original 'Blue' Valvetronix amps just as the new Mustang floor pedal is to the Mustang amps. So I'm guessing there's likely to be a lot of similarities modeling wise.

Be interesting to do a side by side comparison through the same amp!

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:58 am
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It looks like the mustang floorboard has some new competition,the boss GT-100 and boss has a good track record with there GT series of amp modeling floorboards.

I still have a GT-3 i bought in 1999 and it still functions like the day i bought it,i have it in my home studio and never played it on the lighted stage because i do not play at live gigs.

The GT-100 may just be a mustang floorboard killer?

Here is the link for the GT-100: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=gt-100


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:38 am
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Metalman50 wrote:
The GT-100 may just be a mustang floorboard killer?


Based on the pricing difference, I'd guess not. At $550, Boss seems to be pitching this as a premium product, competing with the most expensive modelling floor boards. (Short of AxeFX, anyway!) Fender seems to be placing theirs with the lower-moderate priced models.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:22 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:
It looks like the mustang floorboard has some new competition,the boss GT-100 and boss has a good track record with there GT series of amp modeling floorboards.

I still have a GT-3 i bought in 1999 and it still functions like the day i bought it,i have it in my home studio and never played it on the lighted stage because i do not play at live gigs.

The GT-100 may just be a mustang floorboard killer?

Here is the link for the GT-100: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=gt-100


Well, if the Mustang Floor Board sounds anything like my Mustang II through headphones, I will have very little interest in the GT-100. I say this as a GT-8 user. I've used a lot of pedal board modelers and have always tried to get the sounds that I can now get on the Mustang. To me the Boss units have closest for the kinds of sounds I like to use but it takes so much work just to get the kind of response I like. With the Mustang, it's already mostly there - even through headphones (FRFR). While I'm sure there will be improvements in the Boss's overall tone and useability, judging from the way they've designed all of the past GT series modelers, I have some serious doubts that the basic architecture of the new modeler will change much. Not that anyone familiar with Boss modelers will have trouble getting used to it but I do think that they'll be familiar with the "pain-in-the-keester" aspect of the UI. They are very flexible modelers with incredible routing and control capabilities that can very quickly become too overly complicated to tweak.

I like the sounds I get from my GT-8 but this only came to be after weeks of tweaking.
The Mustang took only a few days of very easy experimentation in Fuse. Usually, a modeling amp's weakest point is its sound when using the headphone jack to go straight to the mixer or USB to computer. It's usually a less inspiring sound. I do not find this to be the case with the Mustang. The GT-8 definitely does not sound as good going straight to the board or DAW as the Mustang does. Hopefully, Fender will have given us a fairly good complement of EQs and clean preamps sans Cab Sim so that we can also use our acoustic/electrics with it. This is something that the Boss and its flexibility is very very good at.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:55 pm
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The Boss GT units are superb for FX and control - but their COSM technology to date is far too digital. My experience with the GT3/6 (that I owned) & GT8/10 that I've used puts me off - as you spend most of your time tweaking. For sheer tone & usability the TLSE kick their butts & I'm expecting the Mustang floorboard to be pretty good too.

The Line 6 HD500 is an interesting bit of kit - I haven't made up my mind on it yet & need to have another play, but I liked what I heard & it felt way better than any previous POD I've played. The Boss GT100 is £399, the HD500 is £409 (or cheaper).

The problem with all these units is much depends what you play them through & how they're set up. There are so many 'chain' options in the Boss units that it drives you nuts...just too much to fanny about with, & a nightmare to tweak on stage.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:33 pm
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I agree up until the part about the TLSE, Rockcat. Plugged into an amp, perhaps what you say may be true. It has been my experience that plugged straight into the mixing board to a PA system, the TLSE does not have nearly enough tone shaping tools to make it as effective as the Boss GTs. I find the TLSE's direct sound still too fuzzy for my tastes and unlike the GTs it does not have a capable enough EQ to deal with that. True, without it's effective parametric EQs the GTs would be just as fuzzy sounding to me. Nor do I find the Pods' EQs to be anywhere in the same league as any of the GT's - even the old ones. But that's just my experience with these units. I'd rather not have to use the GT-8's dual EQs and "Tone Modifier" but at least they're there and they're very effective... even if they are a pain the pantaloons to use. The one thing that really bugs me about Boss is their absolute refusal to develop a software editor for the GTs. I haven't heard a peep about one for the new GT-100 - stupid in this day and age.

Well, at least I have the Mustang and I like the sounds it gives from the speaker, headphone jack and USB. They're not exactly the same. The speaker definitely sounds better but at least the other two don't make me wish for more tone shaping controls.
I hope that the new Floor Board will be the same.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:58 pm
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Sorry ... don't wanna ruffle anyone's feathers ... but given the problems with the Mustangs ... fizz and warranty service ... IMO it's too risky to buy this product. I'd say give it a few months and let the early adapters wring it out, see what they have to say ... and then decide.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:07 pm
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I cannot believe boss did not learn there lesson yet if they did not improve on there cosm amp modeling in the new GT-100 compared to the earlier GT models?

I do agree that many of the cosm amp models can sound harsh and digital but you have to change the speaker output type configuration in the utility menu, for example you would select headphone(line) for direct recording into a mixer and a multi track recorder or combo or amp stack if your going into the input and or effects return of your amp,this will make a big difference for getting a better tone from any of the GT's. I do not care for the high gain models that much but the clean amp models and some of the OD stompbox effects sound good to me.

The way i use my GT-3 is with my other guitar effects processors going through the GT-3 effects send return loop,i run my digitech GNX3 and delta lab DGFX1 through the effects loop,(i made a switchbox to switch between the GNX3 and DGFX1),i do not use these two units together at the same time into the GT-3.

With this setup i get much better tones from my other guitar processors going into the GT-3,the effects in the GT-3 are better overall compared to my other guitar effects units going through it,i like the reverbs better and it does not suck tone from any of the other effects processors i run through it,also the effects are very clean sounding and i can change the effects chain and also the chain of the effects loop!

This is a great feature to have and you could really get some fantastic tones with this setup!

I bet if i ran the new mustang floorboard through my GT-3 it would make the mustang sound much better and also make the reverbs sound better because if the new mustang floorboard did not improve on the reverbs compared to the one's in my mustang V and all the other mustang's,i know i will like the reverbs in my GT-3 better.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:30 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:

I do agree that many of the cosm amp models can sound harsh and digital but you have to change the speaker output type configuration in the utility menu, for example you would select headphone(line) for direct recording into a mixer and a multi track recorder


That's how I've always got mine set. I've never used it with an amp but someday, maybe, I might try it with the Mustang. The fact that the MII does not have an effects loop discourages me from doing so.

I do love the GT's flexibility for the most part.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:33 pm
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KenB5 wrote:
Sorry ... don't wanna ruffle anyone's feathers ... but given the problems with the Mustangs ... fizz and warranty service ... IMO it's too risky to buy this product. I'd say give it a few months and let the early adapters wring it out, see what they have to say ... and then decide.

KenB


Do try to remember that not all of the Mustang models are infected by Fizz. My MII is most certainly not so there's no reason to presume that the new floor board will be also be Fizz infected just because some of the other models are.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:55 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
Do try to remember that not all of the Mustang models are infected by Fizz. My MII is most certainly not so there's no reason to presume that the new floor board will be also be Fizz infected just because some of the other models are.

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Yeah, I gotcha ... and I'm not assuming the new floor board also fizzes, I hope it doesn't ... but seeing how it uses some of the same technology as the Mustangs (which I'm assuming) ... and considering the complaints against the Mustang and Fender ... I myself wouldn't jump right in and buy one ... I'd wait several months for owner reviews to come in and then decide. Bottom line ... for me ... after the Mustang ... I don't trust Fender ... sorry ... I just don't.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:03 pm
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KenB5 wrote:
@Orcatraz

Yeah, I gotcha ... and I'm not assuming the new floor board also fizzes, I hope it doesn't ... but seeing how it uses some of the same technology as the Mustangs (which I'm assuming) ... and considering the complaints against the Mustang and Fender ... I myself wouldn't jump right in and buy one ... I'd wait several months for owner reviews to come in and then decide. Bottom line ... for me ... after the Mustang ... I don't trust Fender ... sorry ... I just don't.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang Floorboard!
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:32 am
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KenB5 wrote:
@Orcatraz

Yeah, I gotcha ... and I'm not assuming the new floor board also fizzes, I hope it doesn't ... but seeing how it uses some of the same technology as the Mustangs (which I'm assuming) ... and considering the complaints against the Mustang and Fender ... I myself wouldn't jump right in and buy one ... I'd wait several months for owner reviews to come in and then decide. Bottom line ... for me ... after the Mustang ... I don't trust Fender ... sorry ... I just don't.

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I understand your mistrust of Fender as a company and I suppose it is a function of the success I've had with the MII that causes me to reiterate your statement that all the Mustangs share the same technology. As mine has none of the Fizz malady, I submit that the floor board has as good a chance at not having the dreaded Fizz. As far as I can tell, the main differences between the MI/II and the III/IV/V is the power amp ratings, LCD panel and power supply requirements. These three main suspects in causing the Fizz.

First off, the new floor board will have no need for a power amp and it will very likely have a very different power supply - an external one. I'd prefer an internal unit but that'll be Fender's call. So, we are left with the LCD. I'm not saying that this will definitely tell us what the culprit is but it'll certainly narrow it down a fair bit.

Now here's the thing that comes to my mind. If it is the LCD, there is a very distinct possibility that the Fizz is caused by the LCD being too close to the amp's CPU. I find my MII to be relatively free of RFI even though there's zero shielding in these amps but sometimes when components are this close together, no amount of shielding will help. The only solution would be a complete redesign of the amp's internal component layout. That means if they fix it with a redesign, it'll cost them more than just the redesign as they may have to take back existing stock from retailers, customers who bought one will likely demand replacement of their Fizzy units and worst of all, and this is a big deal to a lot of executives, they'll be admitting they screwed up. Netflix, Verizon and a few other companies have recently, in the most subtle of ways they could muster, admitted that they screwed up but those companies have a much larger profile than Fender. Fender's clientele is much much smaller than that of Verizon but they also have a much wider range of very successful products than Verizon does to keep them in business. In short, they can afford to ignore or address this issue with little harm to their bottom line.

More and more I believe that the main deciding factor is executive/corporate conceit. Such is the world we live in.

On a more positive outlook, it may be that they're looking at the new floor board as a clean slate.

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