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Post subject: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion 2
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:20 pm
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I think pedals are the next level I want to add to my Stratocaster. I thought getting the Mustang III would solve all my needs, but wow, now that I look online and consider what is being done with pedals, I now want them. The amp itself might be able to replicate some of these sounds, but not cry baby and not with finess and control that a foot control offers.

Am I wrong?

Did I do wrong by going onto Amazon last night and ordering a pedal board with room for Boss BF-3 Flanger, Boss DD-7 Delay, Ernie Ball VP Jr Volume pedal, Wah Dunlop Cry Baby GCB 95F and Boss DS-2 Distortion pedal.

Did I make a huge mistake? or am I going to be able to use this stuff with the Mustang III amp?

Need advice,

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:50 pm
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Oh, you'll definitely be able to use all of that stuff with the Mustang amp, but you'll need to tweak all of your presets a bit for the sounds to mesh right. And I completely agree with you that for Wah pedals, you need to be able to do your own thing. And you ARE limited to only one stomp-box pedal at a time on your preset. Having your own pedals will allow you to have them all accessable at once, in any configuration, any combination you might want.

I hardly use my pedals, but even I have a number of BOSS pedals:

BOSS ST-2 Power Stack
BOSS MT-2 Metal Zone
BOSS BD-2 Blues Driver
BOSS CE-2 Chorus
BOSS AC-3 Acoustic Simulator
BOSS TU-3 Chromatic Tuner
BOSS NS-2 Noise Suppressor

I was considering getting my own Wah and I usually see the Cry Baby at the top of everyone's list. I thought about getting a Tube Screamer for my Marshall tube amp (doesn't really work well with SS/Digital amps), but my JVM already has WAY too much gain as it is, why would I want to push it harder? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:39 pm
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Having a pedal board is always nice. However, a word about volume pedals and the Mustang

The Ernie Ball Jr. might not work, depending on where you plan to use it. I have 2 EB JR.s and tried to use one with my MIV. I wanted to use it in the FX loop to do swells with the on board FXs, especially the overdrive. The EB JR. is high impedance and you need a low impedance volume pedal in the FX loop.

I wound up buying a Boss FV-500L Stereo Volume Pedal. It works great and I can get the swells I want with all the overdrive I need. I also use a Wah sometimes with my MIV, Guitar > Wah > Amp.

I love my Mustangs, but I will never get rid of my tube amps and pedalboards.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:49 pm
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jcwillow777 wrote:
The Ernie Ball Jr. might not work, depending on where you plan to use it. I have 2 EB JR.s and tried to use one with my MIV. I wanted to use it in the FX loop to do swells with the on board FXs, especially the overdrive. The EB JR. is high impedance and you need a low impedance volume pedal in the FX loop.


The main thing I wanted to volume pedal for was for the preset number 2 or 3, the 'clean' sound, for jazz. No overdrive on that. Do you think the EB Jr might work with that?

I should have these pedals from amazon in a day or two. It will be fun to see what they can do. I take it that I can set the Mustang III to a moderate setting and let the pedals kick in their own effects?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:50 pm
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I will if you put it in the path of your guitar. (guitar>EB JR.>Amp input) If you put it in the FX loop, no.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:01 pm
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You'll have to experiment a little and find out for yourself as to what pedals work where. I found that my wah wah pedal worked much better before I went into the amp than in an effects loop. I think distortion would work better in front as well...if you use a separate delay or chorus, go ahead and try that in the effects loop. I also use a digitech whammy pedal in my effects loop.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:19 am
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I just ordered the Boss DD-7 Delay pedal. It just seems these pedals have it together in controlling the nuances of what you want to do. There it is - in black and white, knobs in front of you and not a bunch of hidden layers on a tiny LCD screen that you have to dig to get to for each thing. The Cry Baby arrived today and man, it is sweet. I don't want to over do the effects thing, but effects help achieve sounds that can transport listeners into new ideas in music. I like that part of it. I don't have any other of the pedals yet but they are ordered and coming in the next few days. If I made a bad choice I will learn the hard way. At this point I'm excited to say the least.

I see you are referencing the FX loop or the order in which the pedals are hooked up. I plan on having the Cry Baby to the left, followed by the Boss DS-2 and then to the guitar.
When the Volume pedal comes I'll plug that in first, closest to the amp, followed by the Cry Baby and then the DS-2 and then the guitar. I think that what you are saying is that the order is of greatest importance.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:41 pm
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I don't have a lot of room for an amp, but I'm now questioning whether I should have gotten a tube amp, since the pedals seem to be the way to have ready access to effects, glorious effects, through a set of foot pedals.

I'm a beginner, and beginners fumble along because we don't know any better. I went down to the guitar store today and took a long look at some amps. Since I only have 21" maximum width I can possibly fit into what little space I have for an amp in my trailer, this rules out the big jobs I saw today that sound absolutely great. Something with a 'Z' on the front of it was being hammered away on in a soundproof room by a guy with a Gibson. The room was no way sound proof enough to not let everyone on the block know that this was a big-time amp for great sound.

Amps I am considering were first the Marshall Class 5 but then an even over the top quality amp called a Swart AST Pro which was only 16" wide. I don't mind spending as much or more on an amp than what I paid for my guitar. I'm a hobbyist but I am willing to work to get something that is worthwhile and enjoyable to play.

I'm kind-of in a holding pattern right now while I give the Mustang III at least a few weeks of trial with the new pedals, most of which should arrive in the next few days.

I want a nice warm sound, which a tube amp will give, and the addition of even the CryBaby has crystalized the Mustang III sound quality into a more treble, toy-like sound which is not good at all. This is even with the CryBaby turned off, but just because it is in the line from the guitar to the amp.

One other thing is that the tube amps have surprisingly small wattage compared to the 100 watt Mustang III, but it is quality of sound that I am looking for and not to blow the doors off the garage.


Living and learning here...

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:26 pm
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I found that my wah wah pedal worked much better before I went into the amp than in an effects loop. I think distortion would work better in front as well...if you use a separate delay or chorus,

Usually it's the time based effects, like delay, chorus, reverb, etc., that you put in the effects loop. wah and distortion effects will sound like it's got a cold if you put that in the effects loop. If you read the instruction manual to the amp it should say something like that somewhere in it too.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:07 pm
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I think you'd really like the Marshall Class 5. MY problem with that amp is that there's no master volume, so to get good tube distortion (which you can do with the C5) you have to risk damaging your ears because it's that loud. Otherwise, stick to something like the BOSS DS-2 to get low-volume distortion. Great little amp.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:28 pm
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FFXIhealer wrote:
I think you'd really like the Marshall Class 5. MY problem with that amp is that there's no master volume, so to get good tube distortion (which you can do with the C5) you have to risk damaging your ears because it's that loud. Otherwise, stick to something like the BOSS DS-2 to get low-volume distortion. Great little amp.



I wound up getting the Mesa Express 5-25. It fits the limited space I have and sounds real nice.

Right now I have: Guitar, cry baby, delay, volume, distortion and loop station, all in that order and out to the amp. Does that make an 'effects loop?'

If not, what is an effects loop and how is something included that is outside of it?

TIA,

Ken


PS: Since I am doing well just running the guitar through several pedals and then to the amp input, here is what one, seemingly knowledgeable person, has to say about this:

"Try running your guitar into your wah first. Then your overdrive would be next in the chain. Finally your Delays and Reverbs. Each pedal's circuits will steal a little something away from your sound. So when you buy pedals look for pedal that are true bypass. Meaning when you click them of, the circuit path through that pedal is skipped. Look for a switcher system that allows you to connect your pedals and leave them on, but drop them into your signal path when you want them"


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:02 pm
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Ken Nielsen wrote:
I wound up getting the Mesa Express 5-25. It fits the limited space I have and sounds real nice.

Right now I have: Guitar, cry baby, delay, volume, distortion and loop station, all in that order and out to the amp. Does that make an 'effects loop?'

If not, what is an effects loop and how is something included that is outside of it?

TIA,

Ken


PS: Since I am doing well just running the guitar through several pedals and then to the amp input, here is what one, seemingly knowledgeable person, has to say about this:

"Try running your guitar into your wah first. Then your overdrive would be next in the chain. Finally your Delays and Reverbs. Each pedal's circuits will steal a little something away from your sound. So when you buy pedals look for pedal that are true bypass. Meaning when you click them of, the circuit path through that pedal is skipped. Look for a switcher system that allows you to connect your pedals and leave them on, but drop them into your signal path when you want them"


An Effects Loop, or FX Loop, is normally a section at the back of an amplifier that has a SEND and a RETURN jack, allowing you to place something into the amplifier's signal path after the gain and EQ stages, but before the power output stage. The "loop" refers to when the signal leaves the amp then returns to the amp. Most, if not all, professional level amplifiers have an FX loop on the back of the amp head. A lot of cheaper practice amps don't. The Mustang 3, 4, and 5 all have an FX loop.

ALSO, the Mustang series, in Fender FUSE, emulates its own FX loop in the software modelling. This is represented by the "rack effects" on the bottom-right of the Fender Fuse window.

In a signal path, the signal comming out of your guitar is incredibly small, so any tiny change to it has a HUGE impact on the sound comming out of your speakers. Each pedal you put in the path here increases the length that signal has to travel, even if it's only through a small PCB and a chip. Most pedals have their own power supply, so they don't draw power from the signal path. However, the order DOES have an effect on your overall tone because of the signal being so small.

For example, if you put the Wah pedal first, then a distortion pedal, the wah pedal is only working with the naked guitar signal. Then the distortion pedal distorts whatever the wah is sending to it. If you turn them around, then the distortion effect is placed on the naked guitar signal and the Wah pedal has to change all of that extra nuance in the signal path. See?

Now apply that to your delays. Do you want the delay before you add distortion or after? Do you want to echo everything last, or before you do the wah? And truly, shouldn't your volume pedal be FIRST after your guitar and not half-way through it? If you use an EQ pedal, you'd want that before almost everything else, as it'll have more of an effect there.

Hey pros, wanna come help me here?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:11 pm
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Awesome description. I get the picture from the way you have explained it. Most on the Internet are way too complicated for someone who needs to ask this question.

Big Thanks,

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III pedals, cry baby, volume jr, Boss Distortion
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:39 am
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Example: if you put an eq before the preamp you are shaping the raw guitar tone, it will affect how it interact with the preamp and what freq are less or more distorted (or enfatized in a clean channel). If you put an eq after the gain section you will not change the way the tone is saped but the way the tone cut through the mixing to accomplish other instruments.

Question: Do someone use the wah with an overdrive? before or after?

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