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Post subject: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:49 pm
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I have a couple of questions about my mustang 1:

1- How do i get a 100% clean sound, preferably without using any software ?
I do not want to hook it up to a computer, just to get clean sound.

2- Can I get more UNIQUE effects by simply downloading them from this website ?

3- It seems thag the mustang 1 is like an (amp &) effects processor to which I can download more effects. Is my understanding about this amp correct ?


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:11 pm
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Let's see what we can do.

1- How do i get a 100% clean sound, preferably without using any software ?
I do not want to hook it up to a computer, just to get clean sound.


I'd try using the '65 Twin Reverb channel, any color, then turn the MOD and DLY/REV knobs right, then left until they turn off their effects. That's about as good as you're going to get without using FUSE.

2- Can I get more UNIQUE effects by simply downloading them from this website?

That all depends on how you define "unique." There are thousands of user-created presets, but they all have to work within the bounds of the Mustang's built-in effects abilities. And you'd have to do that through FUSE anyway, which defeats question number 1, doesn't it?

3- It seems thag the mustang 1 is like an (amp &) effects processor to which I can download more effects. Is my understanding about this amp correct ?

The Mustang's signal flow goes something like this:

Guitar -> Input Jack -> Digital Signal Processor (DSP) [Amp model, EQ, cabinet model] -> USB / Phones Out -> Power Amp Stage -> Speaker

However, the Mustang's DSP works with a fixed set of built-in effects that are not alterable at the user level, sort of like your computer's BIOS chip. You can change settings, but adding new lines of code is almost impossible unless you're a high-level programmer that's intimately aware of the existing code structure and you have no problems bricking your amp during your experiments and debugging... none of which I'd assume you'd do, considering your first question about not using a computer.

Hope that answers your queries. Have a nice day. ^.^


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:23 am
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Thank you very much for answering my questions !
I still have some reservations about this amp.

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I'd try using the '65 Twin Reverb channel, any color, then turn the MOD and DLY/REV knobs right, then left until they turn off their effects. That's about as good as you're going to get without using FUSE.


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Huh ! So complicated for just clean tones ? Cant i get clean tones at the push of just one button ? I wonder if i should return my mustang amp and get a simple, no nonsense amp by marshall and an effects processor by digitech.

BTW, how do i get 100% clean tones with fuse ? Is it as simple as downloading settings for clean mode into my amp ? If yes, I hope it ends there. I dont want my clean tone to work only when my amp is connected to my computer :roll:

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Let's see what we can do.
2- Can I get more UNIQUE effects by simply downloading them from this website?
------And you'd have to do that through FUSE anyway, which defeats question number 1, doesn't it?


What exactly does fuse do ? Is there any simple manual for fully understanding mustang 1 ? I can wait and learn for a maximum of 7 days. After that, i will have to return this amp.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:03 am
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The thing about FUSE is that IF you can get it installed and working properly without all the crap a few other people have had to go through to get it working, then you can almost COMPLETELY customize the amp's presets.

And YES, you can SAVE the changes to presets to the amp so that the next time you turn to that preset, those changes will be there.

The main reason that there isn't a JUST CLEAN tone on the amp is that Fender had it in their collective mind at some point to put a bunch of crappy presets on the damned thing...apparently to show off what it could do with all its built-in effects. Problem is, most of us (especially me) HATE all that extra delay, uber-reverb, yadda yadda stuff. So the FIRST thing I did with FUSE was to go into each preset (on RED list) and ELIMINATE all the little effects processors and reverbs.

Once I did that, The '65 Twin Reverb is, by far, the absolute cleanest sound on the amp...so clean it almost sounds like an acoustic.

From within Fuse, turning off the effects in the preset is as simple as clicking the X at the top-right of each pedal/rack effect. The effect disappears. Then you just go to your Mustang amp and push the Save button twice. Preset saved.

And once you've used FUSE to set up all the tones you like and save them to the amp, you won't need the computer after that unless you need to change something else, which you can do at home.

For me, what I have is a netbook. It takes 3-4x longer to load FUSE on it, but once it does, I can do everything except mess with the 4th rack effect at the bottom (because the screen resolution isn't large enough to display it, but we've already complained to Fender about that). And since the battery will work for ~4-5 hours, it's totally gigable if I had to take it with me. But like I said, just save the tones you need (I doubt you'll need more than 24 for any single gig) and forget the computer.

FUSE is really the only way to unlock the full potential of the amp. Without it, you're just playing around with a toy by comparison.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:18 am
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FFXIhealer wrote:
The thing about FUSE is that IF you can get it installed and working properly without all the crap a few other people have had to go through to get it working, then you can almost COMPLETELY customize the amp's presets.


Is there a consolidated list of problems these people faced ? What are the frequently encountered problems (and causes) when people try to do this ? Can they be resolved ?

And one important question. Will fuse allow me to put effects completely different from the factory presets into my amp ?

I see that the mustang 1 preset section has some downloads, but i cant preview them before i put them into my amp.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:50 pm
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*sigh*

Some people have FUSE not working for them until they've talked to Fender first. Apparently, there's a magic Fender Rep wand that gets waved and your stuff works then.

>> And one important question. Will fuse allow me to put effects completely different from the factory presets into my amp ?

When I say built-in effects, I am not talking about those that are saved to the presets. I'm talking about ALL of the effects in the amp's modelling chip. A full list can be read online and possibly in your manual that came on the CD for your amp.

The presets are completely customizable with FUSE. You can change whatever you want about that preset...even the name.

>> I see that the mustang 1 preset section has some downloads, but i cant preview them before i put them into my amp.

Just because you change something in FUSE doesn't mean it's been saved to the amp. You can make all the changes you want, but if you don't save it, then the next time you change to than channel, all the old settings that WERE saved return just the way they were. So if you open one of the downloaded presets, the amp will let you try it out, but if you don't SAVE it to one of the amp's preset channels, then it's not saved. Get it?

Seriously, read the instructions that came with your amp. If it's not in your language, there's a number of others for download on Fender's website.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:23 am
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Great answers, FFXIhealer.

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FFXIhealer wrote:
The thing about FUSE is that IF you can get it installed and working properly without all the crap a few other people have had to go through to get it working, then you can almost COMPLETELY customize the amp's presets.


Is there a consolidated list of problems these people faced ? What are the frequently encountered problems (and causes) when people try to do this ? Can they be resolved ?

And one important question. Will fuse allow me to put effects completely different from the factory presets into my amp ?

I see that the mustang 1 preset section has some downloads, but i cant preview them before i put them into my amp.


Shark - I wouldn't worry about possible issues that you might encounter with FUSE. The vast majority of users haven't experienced any issues with it at all. Just install it and see for yourself. You can download it now at http://fuse.fender.com.

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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:51 pm
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I really like my Mustang iii ..... for single coil guitars.

I'm using a Gibson Blueshawk (P90s), a G&L Tribute ASAT and a Dean Strat copy. They all sound great on the Miii and I'm more than satisfied with it

My 335 copy, well that's another story. Its a fight to get a clean jazz tone that isn't really sterile from those pickups, even on the Twin. That is one thing that I miss about my Fender HRD.

Fender staff - is there any possibility that a new version of FUSE might include a simulated input similar to the second input on a HRD, Twin, etc that matches the impedance so that a guitar with humbuckers could be used without turning down the volume of the pickups?

Would you have any other suggestions that we could try? I really like this amp and want to find a setting for my Peavey JF-1 (335 copy) that sounds right.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:38 am
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Hey Bluezhawk,

That kind of input would have to be built into the amp itself. Try low volume on the guitar and higher volume on the amp.

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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:03 pm
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For what it's worth, in addition to my MIII, I also have a Hot Rod Deluxe that I need to turn the volume pot down on my Blacktop Telecaster (which has humbuckers). Even my regular Telecaster operates at roughly half volume on the volume pot most of the time. It's called controlling the dynamics...we are electric guitar players...it's what we do. If you watch a lot of guitarists play (especially your "tone dog" types like David Gilmour, Jeff Beck, Joe Bonnamassa, etc.) you will notice they are ALWAYS fiddling with the tone and volume knobs while they play...even during solos.

As far as installing the FUSE software and getting it up and running...what are you afraid of? Just install it already! You're totally missing out on the fun and (for me, at least) the install of FUSE and TWO updates were completely trouble free. I was good to go in 15 minutes tops. It is a real kick to use...I'm not scolding here...I am ENCOURAGING you to try it!


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:34 am
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I'm confused about 'fuse only' settings (sound related) - (Mustang III)
I've been trying to figure out 'what else' can be set in fuse that cannot be set at the amp without fuse...

Other than choosing where to place an effect either before or after the amp....
Are there any other significant settings that can be made within Fuse that 'cannot' be made at the amp itself ?
I really don't see anything else.


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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:18 am
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Only the biggest one that affects the tone of the amp model: SPEAKER CABINET MODEL.

You CANNOT change this item on ANY Mustang Amplifier without Fender FUSE. Period.

Hint: Try using "British '80s" with a 4x12V (defaults to 4x12M) and listen to the difference.

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Post subject: Re: Newbie - how to get 100% clean tones and more ?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:28 am
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'You CANNOT change this item on ANY Mustang Amplifier without Fender FUSE. Period.'

Sure I can.......
If you press the amp button twice and then go to 'cab', you can change cabs on the amp by turning the knob, or can change it to off.

You can also change 'cabs', etc... with the foot switch 'While Playing'....
I do it all the time with the foot switch by using the down/up buttons. (I have a 2 and 4 button foot switch)
You can also change other settings with the down/up foot switch 'While Playing' for whatever is selected..... tone, vol, stomp boxes, etc........

If you use the 4-button switch in mode 2, the changes to some settings (like volumn) are small with each push of the down/up button #2 or #3, and larger with the bank button #4.

Just be careful and don't hit save, unless you are really ready to save changes.

I like to listen to the changes while playing!


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