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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:19 am
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Experienced Musician wrote:
So, I hate to revive an old thread, but Fender Staff:

Basically, what you're saying is that using a normal electric guitar with the Fender Fuse Pitch Shifter down an octave on a Mustang amp won't void the warranty, but using a bass guitar with those settings on the Mustang amp will void your warranty?

I'm trying to emulate a bass sound on the Mustang amp using my guitar and the Fender Fuse software by using pitchshifter option, but I don't want to do that if it will damage my amp. Going into a gig and suddenly having all of my sounds die off because of one guitar style in a song is not my idea of a good time.


I believe what he said is playing a regular Bass guitar through the amp voids the warranty, whereas using the pitch shifter to play a low octave won't. This is all a rather silly discussion and I think Fender Tech was very clear on this as were some of the other commenters.

There's a world of difference outside of the primary frequency of guitar guaged string playin a low E note and a bass guaged string playing a low E note. The primary frequency of the note is not the problem. The undertones and harmonics of both the bass string and the pickups on a bass guitar is very different from a synthesized tone produced from a guitar string through an Octaver. Thus the need for the different cabinet and amp characteristics of a bass amp from the Mustang.

Bottom line you shouldn't have any problem with a guitar string playing an octaved bass note. It won't sound anything like a true bass note from a bass guitar, but it may sound enough like a bass to fool a non-trained ear.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:01 am
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Unless you're running your Mustang Amp with the Pitchshifter FX set for a -1 Low E, and at or near Maximum Master Volume to pulverize the Speaker cone, you should be fine. It won't sound like a true bass guitar, but it may suut your needs, and as the TSL Rep posted (years ago) it may be a cool sound.

Depending on your Mustang model (you didn't indicate) you may use one of the Footswitch QA Presets to access and/or toggle the FX as desired. Even w/o a Fsw, if you do not use the FX for every song, the Dynamic QA Preset shifting feature in the Android Remuda App may be helpful! It allows you to define a Performance Mode SetList where each Song you Add has its own QA Presets! The App is in the Google Play App store and gives full deep level editing and control of Mustang v2 Amps.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:57 am
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I realize that emulating a bass guitar with a normal guitar will not achieve a pure bass sound; I am trying to explore my options.

So, if I were trying to play an octave below on the Low E String and filtered out all of the normal guitar pitch, I could play my guitar on reasonable gigging settings (4-6 on MII) without destroying my amp?

Settings: Pitch Shifter to -12 [which is one octave lower, NOT -24 which is two octaves lower], Tone to 100% [to keep my preset's sound effects] and the Mix to 100% [to filter out the guitar's Low E sound which is higher than the sound I want, being an octave below Low E]

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:53 pm
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Experienced Musician wrote:
I realize that emulating a bass guitar with a normal guitar will not achieve a pure bass sound; I am trying to explore my options.

So, if I were trying to play an octave below on the Low E String and filtered out all of the normal guitar pitch, I could play my guitar on reasonable gigging settings (4-6 on MII) without destroying my amp?

Settings: Pitch Shifter to -12 [which is one octave lower, NOT -24 which is two octaves lower], Tone to 100% [to keep my preset's sound effects] and the Mix to 100% [to filter out the guitar's Low E sound which is higher than the sound I want, being an octave below Low E]
I gave it a few tries here on the MIII and MIV using each of the 17 Basic Amp Models and your parameters. With Master Volume at 5, some of the Basic Amp Models pushed the DSP, Speaker, and Cabinet to distortion and buzzing. Others sounded quite usable. Almost all were able to be configured to a usable level by reducing their Drive, Gain and Amp Model Volume. If you find the the sound you're going for within those parameters, cool. I would not use the Amp with any combination of settings that sound like the Amp is self destructing! YMMV.

My guess is that you're not seeking a clean tight Jazzy or Rock Bass sound. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:03 pm
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Thanks! Glad to know that there are some ways to resolve buzzing issues within the amp models. Just curious, which ones did you have problems with buzzing?

I'm working on creating a band sound with a buddy of mine that's very versatile, yet distinctly our own; hence the reason I'm exploring the sound options. In the end, I'll probably get a bass guitar and a Fender Rumble amp for it (I prefer solid state, in the end. Less maintenance.) However, let it not be said that I don't like to experiment... ;)

Basically, I'm trying to create a distinct style of composition that ranges from metal (although steering further away from thrash and death metal) to rock (and by rock, I mean like AC/DC-Styx-Bon Jovi-Def Leppard) to rock ballads and possibly pop rock. The final decision depends on the songs I write; I feel (to take a leaf out of Edgar Allan Poe's book) that every piece of the song (he would have said writing, I say same difference) should contribute to the message, so whichever sound gets that for me is what I want to be able to use. Hence the reason I own a Mustang modelling amp instead of one that only gets me part of what I want.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand (and your little joke at the end there): basically, yeah. I'm not looking for a clean sound (although I've managed some pretty decent balances between the two so far.) Still working on the sounds; after all, music is like women. Some are easy come, easy go; some play hard to get and leave when they're bored; but the one that matters most takes time to understand (and will always stick around, even if you're in a band!) ;)

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:37 pm
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I sometimes play my bass through my MIII as I no longer have a bass amp. This is just quiet stuff at home. It doesn't sound that great. Turn it up a bit and the speaker sounds unhappy. The wife will not be too pleased if I get another 12" combo.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:31 pm
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Yes, but as one of the other posters has already illustrated, there is a difference between emulating bass frequencies with a normal guitar and using a real bass guitar for the same frequencies. This forum is focusing on the former, not the latter. Obviously, using a bass with a guitar amp will not be desirable (unless recording through usb, which may turn out alright).

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