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Post subject: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:09 am
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Hi,
Is it possible to use the Octaver effect to simulate a bass guitar? I am in a 3 guitar outfit and would love to use this to enhance our sound.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:45 am
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lllindenau wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to use the Octaver effect to simulate a bass guitar? I am in a 3 guitar outfit and would love to use this to enhance our sound.

Thanks.


It's not the best but you can get something that sort of sounds like a bass.

There's lots of warnings about not using these amps with an actual bass, yet you can get
low frequencies from a guitar with the built in effect that Fender supplied. Go figure!


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:37 am
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Hey lllindenau,

You may want to try this out at a dealer, if possible. I wouldn't say the the Octaver will give you a convincing bass sound but you should hear it for yourself.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:26 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey lllindenau,

You may want to try this out at a dealer, if possible. I wouldn't say the the Octaver will give you a convincing bass sound but you should hear it for yourself.



Ahhhh, since you're on the thread. Why is the Octaver bass ok for the amp and a real bass not?


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:09 pm
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Sorry to intrude on the thread, but what 'Octaver' effect are we talking about - do you mean the Pitchshifter -or is there another effect actually called an Octaver on the amp/in Fuse that I can't find ?


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:00 pm
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It's a shame, but the pitch shifter in the Mustang isn't all that great for guitar-to-bass sounds - basically only because the original guitar sound can't be completely removed. I've been using various pitch shifters for the last 12 years to play my guitar as a bass in bands, and I'd really hoped the Mustang would be up to the job as it would be a really compact, flexible set-up for me.

It tracks very well and sounds great, but the presence of the normal guitar signal kind of spoils the effect.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:44 am
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johnjaypl wrote:
Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey lllindenau,

You may want to try this out at a dealer, if possible. I wouldn't say the the Octaver will give you a convincing bass sound but you should hear it for yourself.



Ahhhh, since you're on the thread. Why is the Octaver bass ok for the amp and a real bass not?


Mostly because the Mustang's are not bass amplifiers. Also, the Octaver or any pitch shifter will not transform your guitar into a bass but you may get some cool effect going on.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:01 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
johnjaypl wrote:
Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey lllindenau,

You may want to try this out at a dealer, if possible. I wouldn't say the the Octaver will give you a convincing bass sound but you should hear it for yourself.



Ahhhh, since you're on the thread. Why is the Octaver bass ok for the amp and a real bass not?


Mostly because the Mustang's are not bass amplifiers. Also, the Octaver or any pitch shifter will not transform your guitar into a bass but you may get some cool effect going on.


But the Octaver will give you a harmonic an octave lower than a guitar, right?
So what exactly is it about the frequency content of a bass that makes it not work with mustang amps?


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:35 am
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I didn't say it won't work. However, the warranty only covers use of the amp for it's intended purpose, which is to amplify a guitar signal.

Also, most bass amps are designed from the ground up to handle the low frequencies that even moderately powered bass amp can produce. This includes selecting the right materials for the cabinet, airtight seals, etc.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:32 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
I didn't say it won't work. However, the warranty only covers use of the amp for it's intended purpose, which is to amplify a guitar signal.

Also, most bass amps are designed from the ground up to handle the low frequencies that even moderately powered bass amp can produce. This includes selecting the right materials for the cabinet, airtight seals, etc.



I get what you're saying but once you start using the pitch shifter effect that Fender includes with the mustang amp you introduce those same low frequencies that you would get if you plugged in a bass. Right? Low E on a guitar is about 82 hz.. Use the pitch shifter to get a octave below that and you're down to 41 hz.. Which is a bit like plugging in a bass.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:45 am
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I can go 130 mph in my mom's Honda Accord. However, I can assure you 130 mph feels a lot better in a C5 Corvette. Why? Because the Vette was designed from the ground up to not fall apart at those speeds.

Just because the G-DEC may be able to reproduce bass frequencies, it won't be able to reproduce them as accurately as a dedicated bass amp.

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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:50 am
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
I can go 130 mph in my mom's Honda Accord. However, I can assure you 130 mph feels a lot better in a C5 Corvette. Why? Because the Vette was designed from the ground up to not fall apart at those speeds.

Just because the G-DEC may be able to reproduce bass frequencies, it won't be able to reproduce them as accurately as a dedicated bass amp.



I'm simply pointing out the incongruity in saying that you void your warranty by using a bass with your Mustang amp, and yet Fender included a device in the amp that makes a guitar have the same low frequencies that are equally capable of doing damage to the amp.
This is not a trick question and I don't know why it's so hard for Fender to come up with a reasonable answer to it.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:06 pm
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Have to agree with johnjaypal - his question wasn't about the ability of these amps to accurately produce a bass response, it was about whether there really is potential for damage to these amps from bass frequencies.

And, if the potential for damage is caused by the frequency, it's hard to see why the source of that frequency matters, hence Johhjaypal's valid question about why using the Pitchshifter to emulate a bass guitar is ok but a real bass isn't.

There may be a simple answer, but so far we don't have one.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:28 pm
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41.2 Hz is 41.2 Hz whether coming from a bass or guitar so it shouldn't matter as far as the amp goes.

The cab, however, is not designed to reproduce 41.2 Hz.

By Fender's position being a bass voids the warranty I suspect what we are looking at is a poorly designed, for light use only power amp section. I was floored to learn the amp will not drive a 4 ohm load.


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Post subject: Re: Using Octaver Effects on Mustang series
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:14 pm
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So, I hate to revive an old thread, but Fender Staff:

Basically, what you're saying is that using a normal electric guitar with the Fender Fuse Pitch Shifter down an octave on a Mustang amp won't void the warranty, but using a bass guitar with those settings on the Mustang amp will void your warranty?

I'm trying to emulate a bass sound on the Mustang amp using my guitar and the Fender Fuse software by using pitchshifter option, but I don't want to do that if it will damage my amp. Going into a gig and suddenly having all of my sounds die off because of one guitar style in a song is not my idea of a good time.

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