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Post subject: Fender Mustang or Tube?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:56 pm
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Hi Guys

Just getting more and more out of my Mustang IV now and to be honest a couldn't
afford to buy a good tube amp but i would not consider one now i can get great tones out of my mustang...
Listen to this and don't think you would get a much different sound out of a good tube amp in my opinion.

http://soundcloud.com/realstreet/comf-numb


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang or Tube?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:50 pm
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Lovely stuff ! Where did you find the backing track ?

I am as happy as I have ever been amp-wise with my Mustang III (and that includes the original Vox AC30 I used to have). Just so many options and possibilities !


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang or Tube?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:27 pm
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Hi the backing tracks are from
http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang or Tube?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:09 pm
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depepat wrote:
I am as happy as I have ever been amp-wise with my Mustang III. Just so many options and possibilities !


My thoughts exactly! The Mustang II is the first amp I've owned that I hardly ever have to tweak during a performance. The only thing I change is the level of my lead sound every now and then. Tonally, it's so consistent - unlike any amp (tube or solid state) or modeler that I've ever owned in the past. It just sounds consistently good and no amp has ever given me this much detailed control over the sound and the amp's touch response - all at reasonable volumes.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang or Tube?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:31 am
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Don't get me wrong, I really like the Mustangs and still might pick up an MIII if Fender adds an extn cab out. But there are important and real differences with a good all-valve amp that just won't come across on a video or mp3.

The problem with (nearly) all pure DSP amps is not at home, or recording, (where they can excel) but at VOLUME in the mix, because they don't respond as a valve amp does when the power-tubes are pushed.

The punch and 'speaker pressure waves' you get from an all-valve amp are quite different and there's no two-ways about it. There's no way the Mustang could deliver the punch & dynamics of my Class A Laney VC30-210 for example. The way that hot valves change playing dynamics, touch sensitivity, tube distortion etc cannot be captured in a Mustang. It's a fabulous value for money package that sounds great, is very practical & does a decent job. But you really need to play some good tube amps at volume to really understand where I'm coming from. For example, the Mustang does a pretty good emulation of a Bassman - but play it next to the real thing and the real Bassman is quite something else - that's why it's such a classic amp.

There is only one pure DSP modeling amp built with sophisticated enough algorithms, processing power, and top quality components, to very closely emulate how an all-valve amp changes at volume, and that is the Hughes & Kettner Zentera. No longer made, it cost £2,500 new and you'll struggle to find one used because the pro-players who bought them hold onto them.

Horses for courses of course and if you're a home player you'd be nuts to buy a 2x12 64lb Super Reverb just to play at low volume in your flat. Ditto, you'd be much better off with an M1 or MII than an MV & a big cab!! Budget permitting, if you gig at varying size gigs, play at home and record, a mix of valve and DSP amps is great to meet different needs. I love the very low cost, lightness, versatility, great tone with sensible volumes at home, the lack of maintenance needed on a Mustang and (assuming it stays reliable) it's great for rehearsals and gigging. And if you can only spring for one low cost versatile amp for home & club playing, it's hard to beat.

But it IS a compromise package tonally - a good one, but nevertheless a compromise. If it wasn't, then Fender wouldn't need to make a valve amp ever again and no-one would ever buy a reissue Bassman or a 65 Deluxe Reverb. We may get there one day of course...but it's still a long way off.

Rich :wink:

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