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Post subject: "Fender clean"
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:44 pm
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The Mustang marketing videos refer to a "Fender clean" setting ... as a basic starting-point option.

I can't seem to find it, including searching the .pdf's. It's not one of the 'Pre-sets' ! I would think that 'Clean' would be the first 'Pre-set' ... i.e. the basic jump-off (or 'Reset') setting for sound modification(s).

How does one choose the "Fender clean" option?

I ask for a basic 'clean', no coloration setting for classical/acoustic guitar amplification - withOUT coloration or distortion e.g. plugging in a Yamaha SLG130NW 'Silent Guitar'.

Thanks ... in advance - for whatever insights,

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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:28 pm
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You can select the Fender Twin setting. If you want to turn effects off, turn both knobs all the way to the left. One of the Twin settings is called "Beauty Clean", I can't recall if it's red, green, or amber.

You could probably use the same method for the 57 Deluxe and the 59 Bassman. In addition, when you hook up fuse you have access to the Deluxe Reverb, Champ and Princeton. So that's a total 6 Fender amps that would sound great clean.


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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:55 pm
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These amps are really not designed for acoustic guitars, but in the online Fuse library there are a few Mustang presets that people have put together for use with an acoustic guitar, with variable results.

Most start with the Twin Reverb amp model and turn the gain down as low as possible, turn off all effects (except maybe a little reverb) and then tweak the eq settings to get a tone you like.

The Mustangs are modeling amps, which means you will always have to have an amp model as the starting point; you can't turn the amp modeling off.

For acoustic guitars the Twin Reverb seems to be the 'cleanest' amp model to use, but I have also seen a suggestion here for using the 57 Deluxe amp model as a starting point and turning all settings to zero, and also turning the amp cabinet model off. I have tried this with my acoustic and it does produce a 'clean' but also rather flat sound.


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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:30 pm
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DOH - missed that he was using an acoustic.


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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:08 am
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You'll get a much better sound with an acoustic if you turn the cabinet emulation off too - most of the speakers in the Mustangs have an extended top end which actually makes them pretty decent for acoustic when you use the Twin model with a fairly flat EQ and the speaker emulation switched off. Add a dab of compression and reverb and it's really not bad at all.

Not perfect, but they don't sound like you're playing through a sock like it normally does when you plug an acoustic into an electric amp. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:14 am
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depepat wrote:
The Mustangs are modeling amps, which means you will always have to have an amp model as the starting point; you can't turn the amp modeling off.


... point well taken.

I'm starting to appreciate the ramifications of a 'modeling amp'. Coming from a life-long audio engineering interest, I had always wondered what all those exaggerated adjectives meant when referring to tube guitar amps. I had always suspected that that the superlatives referred to non-flat frequency response - to provide the 'tube' sound(s) etc.

Not being about to acquire a bunch of amps from different eras - to try/experience such distortions, I thought that the Mustang modeling would offer a chance to experience something like those old amps. In my mind that was part of the Mustang amp appeal.

depepat wrote:
Most start with the Twin Reverb amp model and turn the gain down as low as possible, turn off all effects (except maybe a little reverb) and then tweak the eq settings to get a tone you like.


That sounds like a reasonable approach, given the non-flat baseline frequency response of the amps being modeled.

Watching the Mustang marketing videos refer to a "Mustang Clean" setting got me thinking that there might be some programmable key combination (like ... do the Hokey-Pokey and turn yerself around <G> ) that got you to 'flat' frequency response, as a staring point. Guess not ... ?

depepat wrote:
For acoustic guitars the Twin Reverb seems to be the 'cleanest' amp model to use, but I have also seen a suggestion here for using the 57 Deluxe amp model as a starting point and turning all settings to zero, and also turning the amp cabinet model off. I have tried this with my acoustic and it does produce a 'clean' but also rather flat sound.


ok, `will give these a try ... Thanks - for the pointers in the right direction.

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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:21 am
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Vulpinity wrote:
You'll get a much better sound with an acoustic if you turn the cabinet emulation off too - most of the speakers in the Mustangs have an extended top end which actually makes them pretty decent for acoustic when you use the Twin model with a fairly flat EQ and the speaker emulation switched off. Add a dab of compression and reverb and it's really not bad at all.

Not perfect, but they don't sound like you're playing through a sock like it normally does when you plug an acoustic into an electric amp. :lol:


ok ... `will give that a go ...

Without opening the cabinet I had been wondering what kind of speaker the Fender "Special Design" speaker <G> really is ...

Your observation that the Mustang speakers have "an extended top end" suggests that maybe they really are the polypropylene speakers, I suspected, which would both have 'an extended top end' and superb power handling capacity ... without distorting (although that may be a contradiction in terms in the 'modeling amp' context <G> ).

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Post subject: Re: "Fender clean"
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:05 pm
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I have yet to find a warm, alive, harmonically-rich BF glassy clean on my Stangs. The Twin ultimately is too sterile and steely-digi sounding. Lacks prettiness I guess you'd say.

Cleans are always the toughest challenge for any modeller. None have yet come close to the "2muchclean" card preset on my Korg A3. It KILLS.


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