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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:07 am
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Hey glad to hear you got a good one.

Give those cleans a chance man, they're some of the best tones the amp has to offer in my opinion. Gotta get in there and tweek!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:08 am
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I agree the "cutout" in volume when switching presets via footswitch is annoy-able, however unless you strum at the more or less exact same time you switch preset via footswitch - you won't notice it. I don't know if the new firmware fixes it - honestly I haven't tried it because my Mustang IV also has no fizz and I wouldn't like to get it, in case it's actually the problem with new firmware. Do share your experience after you update it though, if it turns out your amp doesn't get fizz - I'll probably update it too :)

Also as far as sparkling clean tones go - spend a couple of hours in FUSE and you will LOVE the tones you can get from amp. Believe me. Just yesterday I was at my friend who learned me how to play guitar about 5-6 years ago and he's been playing for like..11 years or so and has had a lot of gear - he said the amp was superb (and he's a tube-loving guy, bought a tube amp from '73 [I think it's Fender Reverb, but not sure which Reverb as I forgot what he said] and spent a fortune on it). I also tried out his Fender Stratocaster '75 with my amp and the clean sparkling sounds - I loved the sounds. True my Gibson Les Paul with Burstbucker Pro humbuckers doesn't get near that sparkling clean sound, but that's the guitar, not the amp.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:08 pm
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Skirt So Plain wrote:
For those who have followed the fizz issue and have asked for this type of post:

I got a brand new M4 two days ago--no fizz that I can detect. I just wrote a lengthy review and after all that typing, Fender's website had a technical problem and lost it!

Now I gotta work, but will write more later.

My unit was manufactured on Dec. 31, 2010--says so right on the box. Came from musiciansfriend.com (I love them) and I could smell the newness in the box. My amp had not been touched, until I touched it, since it left Fender's possession.

In short, I don't hear any fizz, but it might be because I'm an amateur (14 months playing) and not a professional tone master. Also, I like the distorted presets. You really can get the "American 90s" model to sound like Nirvana.

It has the cutout in volume when you use the foot pedal to change presents, making it totally ungiggable, but I understand the new firmware update fixes that--have not had time to install that yet. It's laughable that Fender would release such a product. My Line 6 $99 15W amp doesn't have that problem and is better for other reasons too. More later...

In short, I bet you could gig with the M4 if you're gigging in one of those small dive joints and you're playing loud distorted stuff where the patrons are not going to hear any differences or clean tones (or anything at all by the time their ear drums are blasted). I doubt John Mayer would gig with it, trying to get is sparkling clean tones.


I'll give more thoughts later....


I gig with my M-IV and I surley don't play "loud distorted stuff" as you say...in fact, I play 99% mostly clean since we our a 50s,60s,70s oldies pop rock band. Not sure what your claiming, but maybe you should get some gigging time in before you make such a claim :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:15 pm
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Skirt So Plain wrote:
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I agree the "cutout" in volume when switching presets via footswitch is annoy-able, however unless you strum at the more or less exact same time you switch preset via footswitch - you won't notice it. I don't know if the new firmware fixes it - honestly I haven't tried it because my Mustang IV also has no fizz and I wouldn't like to get it, in case it's actually the problem with new firmware. Do share your experience after you update it though, if it turns out your amp doesn't get fizz - I'll probably update it too :)

Also as far as sparkling clean tones go - spend a couple of hours in FUSE and you will LOVE the tones you can get from amp. Believe me. Just yesterday I was at my friend who learned me how to play guitar about 5-6 years ago and he's been playing for like..11 years or so and has had a lot of gear - he said the amp was superb (and he's a tube-loving guy, bought a tube amp from '73 [I think it's Fender Reverb, but not sure which Reverb as I forgot what he said] and spent a fortune on it). I also tried out his Fender Stratocaster '75 with my amp and the clean sparkling sounds - I loved the sounds. True my Gibson Les Paul with Burstbucker Pro humbuckers doesn't get near that sparkling clean sound, but that's the guitar, not the amp.


Thanks. Funny, I opined in the main fizz thread (pure speculation) that some of the problem that some complain about could be the guitar (humbuckers) or the player!!! That seems to be Fender's official response, stated as diplomatically as possible to try not to offend their customers.

I wonder if anyone has the alleged "fizz" when they play an American made strat!! (???)

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After speaking with a shop owner yesterday about the Mustang amps, he did say that Fender told him, that some of those amps were infected with a virus..hence, skipping channels and fizz sounding and in some cases, not working at all. I've had no issues with mine..so I doubt I have to worry about a virus with the exception of downloading presets that could be tainted :shock: Other than that, I would suggest to everyone who own a Mustang, to store all your favorite presets in the fuse site, just in case you have to return it for another..or even buy another one down the road. Im sure they will cure this problem once and for all if they havent already :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:35 pm
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Skirt So Plain wrote:
musicmatty wrote:
Skirt So Plain wrote:
For those who have followed the fizz issue and have asked for this type of post:
I gig with my M-IV and I surley don't play "loud distorted stuff" as you say...in fact, I play 99% mostly clean since we our a 50s,60s,70s oldies pop rock band. Not sure what your claiming, but maybe you should get some gigging time in before you make such a claim :lol:



Glad to hear it. I'm not making any "claim." In fact, I'm admitting I'm a know-nothing beginner and I'm hoping to get responses like yours--telling me that real pros are happy with the clean tones. The amp sounds great to me. My question is whether I even know what a real clean tone is supposed to sound like. I guess what I don't get is how *some* people on here seem to really HATE the amp and find it unusable while others (like you I guess) love it.

Looking at that part of my post--you're right, it was dumb. I was sort of channeling the clean complainers I guess.

My understanding about the fizz is this...that when the note is starting to decay/disapear, it suddenly starts having an electrical fizzing sound to it..as though it was shorting out electronically :shock: Non the less..this must be a virus in the software. At any rate, I base my Mustang experience on many years of playing and owning several amps...curently a Fender Solid state Stage 112 SE, The Deville 212 tube amp, and of course the Mustang IV. Love my Deville 212 and it takes my Zoom effects pedal without any problems, but admitingly..the Mustang is king..for no other reason than this..Technology has come a long long ways...Think of it this way...Carburators verses Fuel Injection :P

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:00 pm
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Well from Nirvana the only song I know how to play (and actually wanted to know how to play, I'm not a big fan of Nirvana, don't really like any other song) is Smells Like Teen Spirit. I play both distortion guitar with solo and clean guitar (basically as you know it's just the same "riff" of 2 notes going through the whole 'clean' section of the song). I never noticed the drop in volume when I switched presets because I never, ever, switched at the same moment that I strummed. I rarely notice the drop in volume because (at least most of the songs) have some sort of pause for guitar between solos and normal rhythm strumming guitar.. I don't really think it's a problem if you pick strings to be honest, only if you strum chords or something. I do agree, though, that it shouldn't happen and I do hope it's fixed with the new firmware (please let me know once you do the update should any fizz occur or anything like that or if it's ok for me to update it too). Especially as in my country the amp doesn't cost 300$ like in USA, but 400€ which is almost 600$ - and we can't even enter the Fender giveaways :evil:

As far as the fizz with humbuckers only - well Fender was trying to cover their asses with that statement about certain circumstances, certain playing style, certain guitars, etc - it's rubbish. The problem is in amps. As I said the amp works perfectly well with my Gibson Les Paul which has humbuckers and that Fender Stratocaster had S/S/S meaning 3 single-coils (neck,middle,bridge) and no fizz whatsoever. I'm very happy about it as I do plan on, once I get the money (seeing as I'm in senior year of High School now and pretty much dried my bank account with buying the Mustang and with some trips I have planned for this autumn, including pram trip next week, that'll take some time again to get :P ), buying a Fender Strat with single-coils, or maybe a combination of single-coils and humbuckers and it's nice to know it works lovely on all guitars, not just humbucker ones. :)

About 'why the need to edit Fender-made settings'. Well to be honest I myself, without tweaking like..about 3 settings. Twisted Lead, 12 String Clean (not really sure if it gets close to the sound of a 12 string guitar as I never played on one, but I do like the preset) and What The #!"? (or whatever the symbols are) - the last one of course just for fooling around. All other presets which I use are either modified factory presets (some of those metal ones for distortion sounds like for songs Scotty Doesn't Know and like 2 similar, guitar-sound-wise, that I play [I'm more of an old rock guy myself]), or completely build by myself, or of course modified versions of the presets one can download through FUSE. Basically everyone likes different sound, there are a lot of different guitars that sound different and need different amp settings for the same sound from amp. No two different guitars will sound the same through the same amp with same settings, no two different people will perceive the same sound in exactly the same way due to slightly different hearing (even the ear shape affects the sounds we hear). On top of that, one can't really say a majority of guitar players will like that specific sound from the amp. I don't consider myself a pro-guitar player, I'm an average guitar player and in those 6 years of playing (3 years can be said as playing, first 3 years were like..I picked my axe once per week, if not per month, for an hour of playing) I've already build up my own tone which I like and even though the tone(s) might not be exactly the same as the tones in songs I cover - I like those tones better, so that's why I use them. One just has to get the amp and guitar to sound like s/he wants it to sound.
Remember, there are no 'wrong' tones in music, there are just tones that either are for your ears or aren't for your ears. As long as they are for your ears - use them. You'll enjoy them more and enjoy playing with them more than, perhaps, with the tones that are exactly the same as the tones from the song you cover. Even 70% of the similar tone is enough to fool the audience - at least 95% of them anyway - if you're enjoying the tone. But 99% of the exact same tone as the one from the song you cover won't do the trick if you don't like it and don't enjoy playing with it - people notice your facial expressions and movement a lot more than the colour of the tone. And with the tone you enjoy - those expressions will be nice, you'll transfer your energy around to the audience and enjoy yourself. With the tone that's exactly the same as the tone from original songs - if you don't enjoy it, audience will feel you not enjoying it.

Well I've gone a little off-topic here.. Still I hope you might get what I'm saying - there are probably easier ways of saying that, but after all I'm learning English for about 7 years or so, meaning it's not my first tongue). Anyway to answer your question - Fender's experts try to create sounds that they like and think the majority of players will like. But still - each to their own. For instance I absolutely hate most of the clean, Fender-made, presets - most of them have that crounchy sound when you're strumming chords, if your guitar volume is cranked up to 10, but some of the players ADORE that sound. You just have to make the amp sound like YOU want it to sound, not like some Fender guy thought it would be good to sound (no disrespect intended towards the brainiacs in Fender). As soon as you get it to sound like you want it to sound - well be it clean or heavy-distorted tone - that's how a good tone should sound (as I said, some will hate it, some will love it - but you're the one owning and using the amp so as long as you love it nothing else matters).

Damn that's a long post :shock: sorry for that..

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:43 pm
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I have had my Mustang IV for around 3 weeks now. Initially I played around with it at home getting used it it and familiarizing myself with the Fuse software. I spent hours adjusting presets and then took it to a band rehearsal.

I made a lot of notes as it obviously didn't sound right at practice for a lot of songs, but I knew I would have to do some tweaking.

Here's the thing. When Fender modelled the sounds for the presets, they probably used a lot of different guitars to achieve as authentic a sound as possible. For instance, they would have used USA Strats for most of their Basic models and even though they wouldn't admit it, they probably used Les Pauls for some of the high gain presets. So it stands to reason, that if you are only using one guitar, the factory presets will not always sound great for your set-up and you will need to dig in and tweak things as has been mentioned here by others. This is not a fault of Fender. Bare in mind, you have purchased a modelling amp, not a one trick pony like most valave amps, where you get an amp that suits the sound of your guitar. Yes you might get a good combination sound, but it is only one sound and that is why so many palyers are now opting for modelling amps, as they give you all the variety and flexibility you need.

But to be truely happy with a modelling amp, you really need to be using more than one guitar.

On Thursday night, I decided to book a rehearsal room by myself for 5 hours. I took my Mustang IV, my pedal board and my 3 main guitars. Gretsch White Falcon, 91 USA Strat, Les Paul Studio. I cranked the amp to my normal stage volume (around 5 on the master) and most of the preset volumes at around 70%. I then put it through it's paces with each guitar. I found most of the factory clean presets, sounded great with the Gretsch (a little tweaking here and there). The Strat required a lot more tweaking of presets, but I think that's because I fitted a set of Jeff Beck Noiseless pickups a while ago and they have a distinctive tonal quality. The Les Paul was great with the high gain presets, but no amount of tweaking will get great cleans. (not what Les Pauls are really noted for).

After much tweaking and saving, I then backed up my existing Media Library in Fuse and then emptied it out. I uploaded all of the presets from the amp. I picked out about 20 presets I really like and will use and then copied these back to the amp in Slots 0-19 and again to Slots 20-39 and again to Slots 40-59. Now I will tweak each group of 20 for each of my main guitars, that way I will have the right sound for each if needed. This also leaves me 40 Slots for presets that I might use from time to time, or that are song specific.

I do realise that a lot of people don't have the luxury of owning as many good guitars as I do. After 40 years of playing, I have been able to accumulate much of the gear I love and what else is a die hard muso going to do with their money anyway. But my point is, that to really appreciate a modelling amp, you need more than one guitar if you intend using a lot of presets. Some guys will use only a couple of cleans and maybe 3 or 4 crunch and solo sounds and will get away with one guitar. But me, I ain't going to buy a Mercedes and park it in the garage to only take it for a drive once a month. I will use as many presets as I can to get as near to the right sound for each song. That's why I went for a modeller.

So after my long winded post, I guess what I am saying, is that you can't really expect the factory presets to work for your set-up. You have to learn to tweak and save to suit your guitar/amp combination. It's impossible for Fender to set-up factory presets to suit every player and every different guitar that might be used with these amps. So many variables, like timbers, pickups, additonal effects pedals etc.

Just dig in and enjoy. After all, that's half the fun of owning one of these amps.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:32 pm
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8beggars wrote:
I have had my Mustang IV for around 3 weeks now. Initially I played around with it at home getting used it it and familiarizing myself with the Fuse software. I spent hours adjusting presets and then took it to a band rehearsal.

I made a lot of notes as it obviously didn't sound right at practice for a lot of songs, but I knew I would have to do some tweaking.

Here's the thing. When Fender modelled the sounds for the presets, they probably used a lot of different guitars to achieve as authentic a sound as possible. For instance, they would have used USA Strats for most of their Basic models and even though they wouldn't admit it, they probably used Les Pauls for some of the high gain presets. So it stands to reason, that if you are only using one guitar, the factory presets will not always sound great for your set-up and you will need to dig in and tweak things as has been mentioned here by others. This is not a fault of Fender. Bare in mind, you have purchased a modelling amp, not a one trick pony like most valave amps, where you get an amp that suits the sound of your guitar. Yes you might get a good combination sound, but it is only one sound and that is why so many palyers are now opting for modelling amps, as they give you all the variety and flexibility you need.

But to be truely happy with a modelling amp, you really need to be using more than one guitar.

On Thursday night, I decided to book a rehearsal room by myself for 5 hours. I took my Mustang IV, my pedal board and my 3 main guitars. Gretsch White Falcon, 91 USA Strat, Les Paul Studio. I cranked the amp to my normal stage volume (around 5 on the master) and most of the preset volumes at around 70%. I then put it through it's paces with each guitar. I found most of the factory clean presets, sounded great with the Gretsch (a little tweaking here and there). The Strat required a lot more tweaking of presets, but I think that's because I fitted a set of Jeff Beck Noiseless pickups a while ago and they have a distinctive tonal quality. The Les Paul was great with the high gain presets, but no amount of tweaking will get great cleans. (not what Les Pauls are really noted for).

After much tweaking and saving, I then backed up my existing Media Library in Fuse and then emptied it out. I uploaded all of the presets from the amp. I picked out about 20 presets I really like and will use and then copied these back to the amp in Slots 0-19 and again to Slots 20-39 and again to Slots 40-59. Now I will tweak each group of 20 for each of my main guitars, that way I will have the right sound for each if needed. This also leaves me 40 Slots for presets that I might use from time to time, or that are song specific.

I do realise that a lot of people don't have the luxury of owning as many good guitars as I do. After 40 years of playing, I have been able to accumulate much of the gear I love and what else is a die hard muso going to do with their money anyway. But my point is, that to really appreciate a modelling amp, you need more than one guitar if you intend using a lot of presets. Some guys will use only a couple of cleans and maybe 3 or 4 crunch and solo sounds and will get away with one guitar. But me, I ain't going to buy a Mercedes and park it in the garage to only take it for a drive once a month. I will use as many presets as I can to get as near to the right sound for each song. That's why I went for a modeller.

So after my long winded post, I guess what I am saying, is that you can't really expect the factory presets to work for your set-up. You have to learn to tweak and save to suit your guitar/amp combination. It's impossible for Fender to set-up factory presets to suit every player and every different guitar that might be used with these amps. So many variables, like timbers, pickups, additonal effects pedals etc.

Just dig in and enjoy. After all, that's half the fun of owning one of these amps.

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This was the best explanation of these Mustang amps..VERY well stated and obviously from a seasoned musician.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:25 pm
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Thanks for the kind words MusicMatty.

I guess I'm just trying to put to rest a lot of the negativity around this debate, so that those musicians who read these threads and have been contemplating buying a Mustang, don't get scared off by unqualified opinions.

I'm not saying that there aren't any short comings with these amps. Things can always be better. But I take my hat off to Fender for pushing the boundaries in development with this range and this can only force other manufacturers to follow suit and maybe even exceed what Fender has done and that can only be good for the end users. Us.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:28 am
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Skirt So Plain wrote:
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Hey glad to hear you got a good one.

Give those cleans a chance man, they're some of the best tones the amp has to offer in my opinion. Gotta get in there and tweek!


Thanks! Shorter response and question: I intend to, but can anyone tell me why we amateurs would need to tweek what Fender has already done w/ certain tones, such as the ones that are "sparkly clean"? Even if it is true that they can be improved, I don't get why that would be the case. I would think Fender's experts would be better than I at creating a clean tone from their amp. Thanks.

Already some great and lengthy answers to the question posted, but here's my short answer:

Everything from your gear to the way you play/use your gear effects the tone you hear. You could go into Angus Young's personal studio and use his personal guitar and plug into his personal amp, and you probably won't sound exactly like Angus Young. So, you should think of the presets as starting points and adjust them to your liking. You might find some that work for you with no tweaking, but tweakability is kinda the point of having a modeling amp to begin with.


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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:11 pm
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As a lead man in an oldies cover band, this is the best amp on the market in my opinion. It covers a lot of ground/sound with all it's capailities of sound effects. Certainly for some, this amp is the pits for what ever reasons :?: :?: Again, this is not the only amp I own and play..in fact, it's the least expensive amp in my camp..but I do fully recognize it as the top dog. Sound/taste is purley subjective and we all know this amp isn't for everyone..but Im certain it fits the bill for many many players :wink:

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Ditto, ditto, ditto. I love my Mustang IV as well. No fizz, no issues, just great tone, unlimited flexibility, and fun!

Glad to see some positive press in the Forums.


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I've had my MIV for several months now and I am loving it more and more. In fact, I love it so much I just bought an MIII. I can't wait to unbox it tomorrow. Having both the 4 and 2 button foot switches makes it very easy to gig live with.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang IV -- No Fizz (BRAND NEW PURCHASE--UPDATE)
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:47 pm
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So they delivered the amp an hour and a half ago.......I already called GC as mine was made on 12-28-2010 and the "fizz" problem is very noticeable. The manager of GC will call me as soon as the new amps come in. I told him I wanted one after Feb 2011 and that others here had mentioned that Fender is not saying anything about the problem, and just trying to get rid of old stock......For an amp that is so HOT and NEW, that the storage facility still has ones this old is really surprising to me. I really like the amp a lot, and want a newer manufactured one so I will be happy, or I have 30 days to just return it for a full refund.

As an electrician of 31 years, I know that the outlet that the amp is plugged into is on its own circuit and therefore no interference, and the panel is balanced.
I have not done a firmware upgrade, as the usb cord they give you is way to short to reach my computer, unless I move the amp from its stand. I will just have to use a PC laptop and upgrade, but I believe I read here that others said that did not make the problem go away.....but I have to at least try. I will get a long usb cord so I can hook it up to my mini mac, which I prefer to use for recordings.

I hope and pray the ones that GC get in are not old ones as well, or I will be forced to do a return and buy one down the road, when the old stock is gone. I wont get the 50
dollars off that I got on this model, but the fizz is not worth the 50 bucks.

Ive read about a virus, and many other speculations.....even that newer ones can have it. The main discussion thread on the fizz was closed after 7 pages or so, and I did not like that fact. I do not wish to pay 500 bucks and have this sound.


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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:00 pm
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[quote="ctguy1955"]The main discussion thread on the fizz was closed after 7 pages or so, and I did not like that fact./quote]

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The main thread is currently viewtopic.php?f=27&t=57294 and is 51 pages long. There have been many other threads. Fender closed several threads after a few posters resorted to the dark side of the Queens English.

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