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Post subject: Multitap?
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:56 pm
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I haven't been able to understand how to use the Mustang's multitap delay. Does anyone have any clues they can spare?

TIA,

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:03 am
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Hi, PITA.

I understand how multi-tap delays work and know how to use them. Here's where language's limitations can really get in the way and I really had to wrack my noggin trying to figure out how to best explain it. There are many ways a Multi-Tap delay can be configured so here goes...

Think of a multi-tap delay as having two or three or more delay pedals that can be connected in series like this • Guitar - Delay Pedal - Delay Pedal - Delay Pedal - output. Each one has its own independent delay time, feedback and mix control. In series, the sound can get very messy very quickly as each delay pedal that's after the first one is delaying an already delayed sound as well as the Feedback repeats.

It can also be done in parallel where the guitar's signal is split three ways and sent to each delay unit. This is a bit more controlled sounding but can get messy sounding too if the rhythm of each delay is not in sync with the others. One advantage to a parallel setup is that you can pan each delay to a particular position in the stereo field. Like this • Delay 1 - Hard Left, Delay 2 - Hard Right and Delay 3 - Dead Center. This makes it a lot easier to distinguish each "Tap" or delayed signal so it's a lot less messy sounding... and it sounds really stinkin' cool when you get the rhythm of the delays set up right.

The most important thing to remember is to use a minimum amount of Feedback or even no Feedback at all.

The Mustang's Multi-Tap Delay is a bit limited in its controls but it seems that each successive delay is at least synchronized with the previous one. That helps keep things simple but you can't really get creative with it. The Mode knob simply allows you to select how many "Taps" or Delays you'll be using. If it's stereo, it should sound more interesting on a Mustang IV than on a mono amp like the MI, II or III. I don't know, I've not played with it yet because I have an MII - mono.

I hope this helps.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:00 pm
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Hi Orcatraz,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Orcatraz wrote:
The Mustang's Multi-Tap Delay is a bit limited in its controls but it seems that each successive delay is at least synchronized with the previous one. That helps keep things simple but you can't really get creative with it. The Mode knob simply allows you to select how many "Taps" or Delays you'll be using. If it's stereo, it should sound more interesting on a Mustang IV than on a mono amp like the MI, II or III. I don't know, I've not played with it yet because I have an MII - mono.


I (think I) do get how the multitap delay is supposed to work in general. It is the Mustang's interface that has me stumped. I was excited when I read "The Mode knob..." in your post (snippet quoted) because I thought I'd missed something--but then I went back and looked at the controls, and what I see on the LED screen are:

Multitap:{LEVEL,TIME,FDBK,BRITE,ATTEN}

These appear to be pretty generic controls, and I can't make sense of how to use them to express multiple time increments to delay the original signal.

:?

Perhaps one of the Fender reps or someone else will weigh in eventually with some more insight.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:14 am
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Hi, PITA.

I just checked Fuse and those parameters - :{LEVEL,TIME,FDBK,BRITE,ATTEN} - are for the Mono Delay. The parameters I see for the Multitap Delay are - :{LEVEL, DLY TIME, FDBK, BRITE, MODE}.
In any case, the MODE control determines how many and which delays you get. Its default setting is called "Custom" and is strangely only available when you first call up the effect. Otherwise the options are "1 2 -", "- 2 3", "1 - 3" and "1 2 3". I believe these rather cryptic numbers are supposed to represent which delays (Taps) are being used.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:07 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
I just checked Fuse and those parameters - :{LEVEL,TIME,FDBK,BRITE,ATTEN} - are for the Mono Delay. The parameters I see for the Multitap Delay are - :{LEVEL, DLY TIME, FDBK, BRITE, MODE}.


Well I'll be dammed.

This is what I see in FUSE (and on the amp as well), hence my confusion:
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Note only 5 knobs, no mode!

I guess I need to try a reset/firmware reflash, then perhaps a call to Fender support and have them weigh in on next steps if it doesn't change. :cry:

Thanks for helping me zoom in on the problem.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:42 am
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What version of Fuse are you using? I'm using 2.3.0. Also, what happens when you switch to different types of delays and then go back to the Multitap?

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:18 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
What version of Fuse are you using? I'm using 2.3.0. Also, what happens when you switch to different types of delays and then go back to the Multitap?

O.


I'm still on 2.2.0--but that shouldn't matter, because even before I fired up FUSE to grab the screenshot, the amp's display was the same.

I've tried resetting, flashing back to firmware 1.5, then again to 1.6; still the same.

If you notice my screenshot, it started from the Liquid Solo preset, and I simply twirled the delay selection to get to Multitap. It always does this no matter how I get there.

Hmph.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:39 am
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Hmph indeed! That's poopy.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:03 pm
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I'm using 2.2.2 and have all the mode option available


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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:29 pm
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Hi (prospective) MultiTappers,

The problem is with the MIII editing of the Multitap Delay module on
the LCD itself. ! There is no knob for "Mode" ! - and so the selection
of the Mode type setting in Fuse has no way to be accessed by
the MIII itself - only the basic 2 repeats setting is heard.
Fender Tech Labs are aware of the anomoly and will include the fix in
the next Firmware Update.
Hope this helps - roll on the next Update.

Jim


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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:11 am
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Hey Guys,

This will be addressed in the next update.

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:44 pm
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Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey Guys,

This will be addressed in the next update.


Thanks Jim and Loren; been too busy to get off my axe and call in, but this is good to know.

Of course the obvious next question, any hints as to ETA for the next f/w update? :D

(How the heck did it happen in the first place!?)

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Post subject: Re: Multitap?
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:03 am
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Nothing is set in stone yet, PITA. I'll have more information soon.

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