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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:09 pm
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add the Overdrive module in the "Post" position and set its gain to nearly full up. Putting the Overdrive in the "Post" position is very important for getting this sound


After trying to work this out it seems this can only be done with the FUSE software huh? My older mac can't run it so I guess I'm outta luck. If only I could stop getting new guitars I could probably afford a new computer! :lol:


Sorry to hear that, JamGuy. Yeah, eventually they have to stop supporting PowerPC units. I'm not saying get one just so you can run Fuse but the new Intel Macs can and do give you more options app-wise. However, if you have a fizzless MIII, IV or V, I think you can do it all on the amp itself.

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:47 am
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Thanks, Rockcat.

Yeah, I watched all those vids before too but I can't really go by them because I've been going for a specific type of Dumble sound - Robben Ford's. While the sounds on those vids are fine, they're not really what I'm after. There aren't many tone shaping options on the Mustangs so what I've been able to get is probably as good as it's ever going to get. There are also several controls on the real thing that simply do not exist on any of the Mustang's amp models and I wonder of they do on your Vox. This I think can be a major factor in getting the type of Dumble sounds one is after.

This, as I've mentioned before, is the closest I've ever gotten to the sound I've always wanted so I'm happy.

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I'm lucky in that the Vox also models the Dumble clean - only nuisance is that for some bizarre reason it's set quite a bit quieter than the other amp models. Much of the Dumble tone shaping is EQ, & I use a BBE Sonic Stomp and a 7-band EQ in the FX loop that gives me excellent additional EQ control with the BBE giving a bigger, wider more '3D' tone. I was jamming to Robben's clip on you-tube of 'Talk to your daughter' (he's such a great player, isn't he!) with my PRS Cu24 & I really can get his tone pretty much spot on (at least compared to the clip) with the Dumble Overdrive model in my AD120VTX - Vox really did such a good job with that model.

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:36 am
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I'm lucky in that the Vox also models the Dumble clean - only nuisance is that for some bizarre reason it's set quite a bit quieter than the other amp models.

Rich


This seems to be a common thing with Vox's clean sounds on all their modelers and it makes their modelers highly impractical for me. I've got a Tonelab ST sitting here gathering dust. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:03 am
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I think you can do it all on the amp itself.


Hmm... unless I'm missing something, it seems like if you press the amp selector wheel twice it lets you look at the effects chain, but according to the advanced manual, it seems as though you need FUSE to change the order of the effects chain. Does anyone know if this is the case or is there a way to change it up w/o FUSE? (I am using a Mustang III.) Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:33 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
Rockcat wrote:

I'm lucky in that the Vox also models the Dumble clean - only nuisance is that for some bizarre reason it's set quite a bit quieter than the other amp models.

Rich


This seems to be a common thing with Vox's clean sounds on all their modelers and it makes their modelers highly impractical for me. I've got a Tonelab ST sitting here gathering dust. :roll:

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I have an ST & it's not really a problem because you can just balance the volumes and save in patches so they're all the same - plus you can raise up the global output volume too via the knob at the back if needed. The ST was a 'shortstop' solution and the new EX is what the ST should have been, with easier patch changing & stomp box mode - but I've used the ST at a gig through the PA & it was just brilliant! :D

In fact, my daughter (who sang) posted the rehearsal clips on you-tube here:

Valerie (ala Amy Winehouse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNf4S6vwUR0
Honkey Tonk Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDzbY1iH3U
Mustang Sally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf0mB07f3o

No Fender connection sadly - I used my PRS Cu24 & the TLST - but hey, what the hell, it's all music isn't it! (well, the way I play, very nearly) :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:40 am
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Rockcat wrote:
I have an ST & it's not really a problem because you can just balance the volumes and save in patches so they're all the same - plus you can raise up the global output volume too via the knob at the back if needed. The ST was a 'shortstop' solution and the new EX is what the ST should have been, with easier patch changing & stomp box mode - but I've used the ST at a gig through the PA & it was just brilliant! :D

In fact, my daughter (who sang) posted the rehearsal clips on you-tube here:

Valerie (ala Amy Winehouse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNf4S6vwUR0
Honkey Tonk Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDzbY1iH3U
Mustang Sally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf0mB07f3o

No Fender connection sadly - I used my PRS Cu24 & the TLST - but hey, what the hell, it's all music isn't it! (well, the way I play, very nearly) :mrgreen:


Nice sounding clips, RockCat and your daughter has a really good voice.

I can certainly connect the ST to the PA but not without going through a DI first and that's with that output knob cranked. It's fine for the overdriven stuff but useless for the cleans - especially if you're doing a jazz gig and need to have a louder clean sound for solos. I've never needed to use a DI for any of my modelers unless there is a long cable run to the FOH mixer. Also, to even out the patch levels, you have to lower all the other patches to the level of the cleans. That means having to increase the gain at the mixer input and that leads to increased noise - bogus.

I should add however, that Vox is not the only offending company when it comes to this, I just think they're the worst offender. Even Fender, Boss and Line6 do nothing to compensate for the lower overall outputs of their clean amp models. At least with the Boss and Fender units, there are very effective ways to manually compensate for the lower output levels, although if they'd done it right in the first place, you shouldn't have to. In my opinion, for the sake of practicality, ALL models clean or dirty should be absolutely capable of equal output levels. This is so freaking basic and should be a total no-brainer. Alas... stupidity has a nasty habit of getting its way. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:44 am
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for the sake of practicality, ALL models clean or dirty should be absolutely capable of equal output levels.


I have found issue of low output to be particularly true in the case of the basic Twin setting... you'd think of all the amp models, this one would have some extra juice with the gain settings as low as you might like them to get a "real" clean Twin Tone.


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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:25 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:

Nice sounding clips, RockCat and your daughter has a really good voice.

Thanks Orcatraz - yup, I think she's great too! - but then I'm her Dad! :D

I can certainly connect the ST to the PA but not without going through a DI first and that's with that output knob cranked. It's fine for the overdriven stuff but useless for the cleans - especially if you're doing a jazz gig and need to have a louder clean sound for solos.

Don't understand that at all - those clips and the live gig were straight through the same PA with no DI - and you can hear the nice jazzy cleans that I used for 'Valerie' - no volume issues whatsoever. :?: :?

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:09 am
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JamGuy wrote:
Hmm... unless I'm missing something, it seems like if you press the amp selector wheel twice it lets you look at the effects chain, but according to the advanced manual, it seems as though you need FUSE to change the order of the effects chain. Does anyone know if this is the case or is there a way to change it up w/o FUSE? (I am using a Mustang III.) Thanks.


Well that'd be a very serious shortcoming to me if you can't select pre or post on the effects - like a bad tease. Can anyone else confirm this?

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Post subject: ALERT! My Dumble err... Fumble uploaded!
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:25 am
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Fumble has been uploaded in Fuse. Enjoy!

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... maybe I should call it Fumble (Faux Dum
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:12 pm
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JamGuy wrote:
I have found issue of low output to be particularly true in the case of the basic Twin setting... you'd think of all the amp models, this one would have some extra juice with the gain settings as low as you might like them to get a "real" clean Twin Tone.


Maybe it's my pickups but I've actually been hard pressed to get any dirt out of the Twin model. All it seems to do for me is compress a bit more when I crank it. The thing is, I don't actually care for the clean Twin sound as much as I do the clean Deluxe sound and yes, when you get that one clean enough, it's too soft.
This is where a post gain compressor really comes in handy and you don't even have to have it doing any compressing at all. It's just there to boost the volume.

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Post subject: Re: ALERT! My Dumble err... Fumble uploaded!
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:43 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
Fumble has been uploaded in Fuse. Enjoy!

O.


I like it! I thought you were using the Princeton/SS 212 model here, not the Twin? I tried this combination with the Princeton; it works as well, it's just a bit grittier. I can see why you went with the Twin, though.
I have another preset I downloaded called "Dark Blue Overdrive" that uses the Twin to get sort of a Hendrix "Red House" kind of tone that's great too.


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Post subject: Re: ALERT! My Dumble err... Fumble uploaded!
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:30 pm
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Fumble has been uploaded in Fuse. Enjoy!

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I like it! I thought you were using the Princeton/SS 212 model here, not the Twin? I tried this combination with the Princeton; it works as well, it's just a bit grittier. I can see why you went with the Twin, though.
I have another preset I downloaded called "Dark Blue Overdrive" that uses the Twin to get sort of a Hendrix "Red House" kind of tone that's great too.


Yeah, that was an early attempt. After some research on the net I found out that the original amp was based on the Twin.

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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... Fumble. It's uploaded at Fuse
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:30 am
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Thanks Orcatraz
I have wanted to do the same. Your clip sounds great! Maybe we can come up with a humbucker version too.
Thanks from another Ford fan!


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Post subject: Re: My Dumble err... Fumble. It's uploaded at Fuse
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:57 am
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Thanks Orcatraz
I have wanted to do the same. Your clip sounds great! Maybe we can come up with a humbucker version too.
Thanks from another Ford fan!


You're welcome, Pistol. It wouldn't take much to get your humbucker to work well with that preset. The first step would likely be to lower the gain on the Post Gain Overdrive (PGO) then tweak the tone controls on either the amp or the PGO. I mentioned this before but it's worth repeating, the Mid controls on the amp and the PGO have different frequency centers and this helps a lot in tone shaping. What never ceases to amaze me is this amp's relative lack of EQ options yet I rarely have trouble getting the sounds I want. I can't say that for any other modeler I've owned.

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P.S. To all those who've downloaded any of my measly 3 presets, please rate them and do give suggestions and comments at Fuse. Thanks to all.


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