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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:24 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
Don't get hurt about your opinion getting invalidated... Validate it. Prove us wrong.


Why should it be necessary for anyone who has a problem with a fizzy amp or with Fender ... to prove it to anyone else on this forum? Why isn't the experience of the amp voiced by it's owner simply taken as what it is ... an opinion of a product?

Scorpaeon wrote:
Well I distinctly remember the tag line "high speed, amped up, and loud". Hardley gives one images of pristine clean low tech vocal duo accompaniment or whatever. It sucks you couldn't use it for what you wanted, but I really don't believe that Fender had players like you in mind when they did the R&D on the Mustangs.


I don't buy that argument at all. In Fender's advertising on their site ... they have produced several good, clear, fizz free clips of Mustang amps. In the design of the amp they included amp models for Fender amps that are well known for their cleans. It's more than evident that Fender wanted to sell Mustangs to the clean crowd based on the Mustangs ability to reproduce cleans.

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But, Ok, I'll take your kind advise and wish you good luck. Just one more thing, if you want to know why your tactics are not working, its because you don't have an F'ing leg to stand on. Good day sir!


Nobody here has any tactics ... they have just voiced opinions ... NOTHING more.

IMO ... resorting to the darker side of the Queens English to get your point across makes you appear emotional and ignorant.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:14 pm
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This thread has fizzed out.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:47 pm
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emcron wrote:
This thread has fizzed out.


+1

Good play on words!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:35 am
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With all the new products released from fender lately why did fender not choose to upgrade the current mustangs III-V with a new fizz free version of these amps?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:58 am
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Just got my brand new Mustang III WOW very cool and quiet as a mouse super impressed

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:10 am
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One thing this thread does pretty well is to drag out the occasional person who gets off simply arguing with reality. There are a ton of examples posted of the fizz and Fender admits it exists, yet some (admittedly few) here apparently believe that by asking the question again and again, in as provocative a manner as they can conjure up, that they will somehow get the answer they are looking for. That approach doesn't usually work for 10 year olds and it similarly is unlikely to work here.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:58 am
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This may be useful for folks considering a purchase and who are afraid of not detecting the artifact in the store because it doesn't exist yet. Apparently, even after an amp is stricken with the artifiact you can't hear it in a song.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:00 pm
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KenB5 wrote:
Nobody here has any tactics ... they have just voiced opinions ... NOTHING more.

IMO ... resorting to the darker side of the Queens English to get your point across makes you appear emotional and ignorant.

Ken B

DArmstrong55 said "just STFU and let those of us who do know and care get on with trying to embarrass Fender into doing the right thing."

That's why I mentioned tactics, and that's why I got vulgar. My apologies to everyone else.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:32 pm
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Left my new Mustang III on for 5 hours today then used it ---no problem, maybe the new ones are ok

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:08 pm
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oh, by the way.. it is not just playing in overdrive with single sustained notes (expecially) on lower strings that i can hear the phaser-like sound in the mustang III they sent me as replacement..

i can hear that unwanted effect also if i play in overdrive simply chords ... power chords or barré.. so every chords that i let ringing and that have notes on lower strings..
so the possibility to hear that problem raises a lot! it is no more the question to play or not to play "normal" songs... even playing normal songs that include sustained (even just a few seconds)overdriven chords (for example some pink floyd songs) the problem can be heard..

the question is more serious than someone think it is.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:14 pm
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I think it's just speculation at this point loshamano, as far as I know there is no recorded song where you can hear it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:47 pm
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emcron wrote:
I think it's just speculation at this point loshamano, as far as I know there is no recorded song where you can hear it.


Sorry if i misunderstand your answer but did you mean i'm speculating on this problem?
and what would i earn to do that?

i will not that one that send you a complete song but one of this days i could decide to send you a short file of some chords (and attached the settings of amp, stompbox...) to hear the problem on my amp.. i don't like it, but you could say that for you is not so disturbing...
in Italy we would use a byword that translated should sounds about like that <<all the tastes are tastes! ..said the guy that was sucking a rusty nail>>


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:15 pm
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emcron wrote:
I think it's just speculation at this point loshamano, as far as I know there is no recorded song where you can hear it.


@emcron

Really? You believe fizz is a speculation ... or that it can be heard in a song is speculation?

IMO ... it's clear that some Mustangs fizz ... and it should be self evident that depending on a host of variables ... that fizz will be heard on SOME songs. But ... you don't believe that logic ... is that correct?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:26 pm
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Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the fizz can only be heard on whole notes at MM 120 on the 6th string (e.g. of 2 second duration) on clean tones. Does anyone really want to argue that there are no songs benefited by clean settings with whole notes written on the sixth string at MM 120 that Fender mustang purchasers might want to play? People who seem to think that fizz can't be heard on actual songs have a very limited idea of songs people might want to play. I'd be happy to make a recording but the mustang III is long gone. I can only reiterate that my wife noticed it on slow songs that I played. If you really want to go on record as calling her a liar, knock yourself out.


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emcron wrote:
I think it's just speculation at this point loshamano, as far as I know there is no recorded song where you can hear it.


@emcron

Really? You believe fizz is a speculation ... or that it can be heard in a song is speculation?

IMO ... it's clear that some Mustangs fizz ... and it should be self evident that depending on a host of variables ... that fizz will be heard on SOME songs. But ... you don't believe that logic ... is that correct?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:21 pm
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@Scorpaeon and all:
Sorry for lowering the discourse with my "STFU". Bad form and not helpful.

@ those who persist in trying to cast doubt that there is an actual problem with some Mustangs:
Since you don't believe us, call Fender. They will tell you there is an actual problem with some Mustangs. Go to the recording on page 1 of this thread (and imagine playing Blue Bayou with that fizz). Fender admits that this fizz is present.

So, to put it in a more civil way, kindly stop the continual and bizzarre assertions that the problem is with us. Even Fender disagrees with you! You and Fender do seem to agree that we should just shut up and go away. I can see a (misguided) short-term reason why Fender would feel that way, but I have no idea why you do.

Edited to add: As to tactics, when talking and pleading doesn't work, public embarrassment of large corporations is a time-honored way to get them to behave better. And Fender should be embarrassed about how they have treated those of us with defective Mustangs.


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