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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:14 am
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emcron wrote:
Is it really something that you need to be trained to listen for jeffguitar?



Oh come on, when it starts it is a sound that one has to listen for. My fizz is subtle at this point, but the mere FACT that I have seen several here mis explaining what it sounds like, saying that they now hear it and they didn't the very day before, others saying it's just in the imagination definitely means we should keep the samples up.

is there a problem you have with a simple link in some post so that the nasty sound of this is always here for owners to see what will probably happen to their amps? Look a couple threads up. I just posted this link as a resonse to someone that said they believe it to be in their imagination. You don't think he needed to hear it first hand? ookin the thread "how do you feel about your Mustang" or something similar. So yep, it needs to be EASILY accessible so that owners have this devastating sound right at their finger tips.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:37 am
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Was that a 'yes' ?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:49 am
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emcron wrote:
Was that a 'yes' ?


Yeah, and of course, a question at the same time of why you would even waste 3 seconds asking a question about a simple link to this buzzing sound, as if it should need any response, it's a link of about, 2 bits of info digitally or something> Yeah the link should constantly be here for guys that just go to the last page of a thread and for those who simply don't hear it because they don't see a link readily available. I believe this will happen to all of these amps so why not let as many owners as possible hear what's going to probably happen to them?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:28 pm
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The thing about the fizz is that it gets worse over time, so if you don't know what you're looking for, by the time it becomes really noticeable and starts to interfere with your playing, the return period has expired and it's too late. It's not covered under warranty (I tried), so you're stuck.

Fender: are you even trying to find a solution?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:08 am
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Perhaps one thing that Fender has going for it is the probability that many, if not most, Mustang buyers aren't looking to produce a clean tone. What with untold dollars being spend on various signal "interrupters" and "modifiers", what is a bit of additional "fizz" to someone who has little or no desire to hear a clean tone?

I play primarily hollow body guitars with flat wound strings through a Princeton 65 Reverb Reissue with no pedals or a 40 year old Polytone 101 bass amp with a bit of reverb added by a pedal. If either of these amps added unwanted fizzy noise to the clean tone I am looking for, then I would stop using the offending amp. Distortion, compressors, expanders, modulators, filters, delays, octave pedal/rack thingys notwithstanding, I believe that any buyer of an amp, at any price, has a right to expect their purchase to produce a clean tone, even if they will never have occasion to play one.

It appears that Fender does not agree with this viewpoint.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:42 am
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Here's what I've recently posted in reply to people on the Jazz Guitar Forum and The Gear Page regarding Mustangs. I'm selling my Mustang III, and done with Fender, so this is probably my goodbye to this forum. Best of luck with your amps.

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I'll chime in. I have a Mustang III with fizzing. I've read everything (well, a lot) on the web about it.

The Good: the amp, minus fizz, has a very natural, organic, tubey feel and sound to it. Very enjoyable and responsive. (I'm not a real tube amp guru; I'm only really interested in lower gain Fender and Vox tones, and I've only owned and worked on a few Fender tube amps.)

The Bad: If your amp fizzes, forget it for *any* kind of clean playing, and you traditional dark-tone-loving jazzers should run from it. Play a note on your low E string, and hear a strange, raspy "eeeeeeeooouuuuueeeeeeeooouuu" overlayed on it, and... go look for another amp.

The Maybe (is that a category?): I hear it's only the Mustang III and up that fizz, but that they can develop it over time. Mine has. If you can live without the power, fine, get a I or II. But if you're gigging, do you want to live without the 4 button foot switch to switch effects individually and to provide a handy floor tuner? The 4 button is only for the III and up. Are you OK with needing a computer there so you can tweak your settings? If not, then you, like me, don't see the Mustang I and II, mic'd or not as such good gigging amps.

As for me, I'm selling my III. Some rocker will like it. Vox, Tech21 or someone else will get my money now. I won't even try a Mustang II now. Not because Fender won't *fix* my amp -- I have low expectations as to them admitting a problem that might result in a lot of people returning cheap amps -- but because they won't even *tell* us what the problem is so we can fix it ourselves.

I'm sure they know exactly what's going on with these amps. All they need to do is say "Hey Mustang III owners, we're glad you love your amps, and for your modders who don't mind voiding your warranty, here's something to try that might make you like your clean tones even more!"

But they won't even do that, and it pisses me off, as you have probably noticed. So goodbye Fender.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:13 am
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This could go on forever. How about we start a paypal account for those interested in donating money to the cause. Then purchase a used MIII and have it analyzed to determine the problem(s) If we knew the technical problems then we may have options to fix the amps ourselves or just leave them as is....freaking fizzy.

Used Fender Mustang III: $200

Electronics Tech: $ ???

Any thoughts on the subject?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:50 pm
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seems like more and more of the topics are being LOCKED and so you cant make any more comments. My 11-20-10 fizzer is going back to GC, but they have not received any new shipments of the IV at all. GC website has the ability to put in your zip code and they can tell you what store has what in stock.......But as is the case with my IV, the "In Stock" was only the used floor model, so now I know to call on the phone first instead of driving all the way 36 miles to find out its not really in stock.

I really like and want the IV, but I have to consider its not going to happen before my 30 days is up, so I will just return it tomorrow for a full 500 dollar refund. I wanted to be able
to try out some other brands, like the Line 6 spydr IV and the vox valvetronix VT120 and peavey vypyr, but none of them are in stock either.....they may have the floor models, but I dont want to have anything shipped to my house anymore, I want to try out the one im taking home right then and there.

None of the other amps seem to be able to plug into a usb like the mustang, and I really like that option and being able to download other pre-sets, but the fizz in mine
is just so strong I cant stand it, and fender is not being very honest about how they
are going to replace power supply or change it, this problem must be costing them so much money in the long run, and its such a shame, as I feel its such a great product for the money and I am very envious of the people who got ones that did not fizz.
I tried to put my IPHONE 4 up to the speaker and capture the fizz sound, and it really does not seem to record it very well. I have not tried out headphones yet, but I will today just for the heck of it, before I return the amp tomorrow. I will try out other amps but at worst, I will just get my cash back and then wait for GC to call me on the phone and tell me that have in a june 2011 or later model that I can go to the store and try out, as for the money, this is the only amp I have my heart set on.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:49 pm
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ctguy1955, I would wait just a little longer before i would buy another modeling amp right now because namm is in january 2012 and maybe some new models will come out from fender, peavey or vox,i think someone already said that line 6 may be coming out with a new spider or other line 6 modeling amp for 2012.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:02 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:
ctguy1955, I would wait just a little longer before i would buy another modeling amp right now because namm is in january 2012 and maybe some new models will come out from fender, peavey or vox,i think someone already said that line 6 may be coming out with a new spider or other line 6 modeling amp for 2012.

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It seems like 3/4 of the amps I would want to look at are never in stock anyway.
They are having a 100 dollars off sale. so I have the chance to return my
fizztang and buy a 649 dollar amp and only have to come up with 50 bucks
out of my pocket.
I think its not wise to ever buy the first production model
of a car or an amp, until the second production model comes out and the kinks
have been more ironed out.

Whether I get a hybrid or a tube or a solid state, I want it to be a 2 x 12 so my choices
a slightly limited. Thank you so much for the info though !!!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:18 pm
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It's not cheap but I'd urge you try out the new Vox Valvetronix VTX150 Pro Neodymium. The 'dream rig' consists of the 1x12" amp, 1x12" extn cab (all with a nice red trim), & VC12SV floor controller which costs £999 UK. The amp itself is £599 but can be bought for £499. It has an EL84 power tube, 44 amp models, 132 presets, 11 stomp-pedal effects, 11 FX, global reverb (3 types), h/phone, aux out, & a series FX loop.

Although it's controls are based on the Valvetronix VT+ series, it's quite a different animal with none of the hiss/snare-drum issues reported by some on the VT+ range. Tones from the modeling & effects are exceptionally good, and very, very valve like with excellent touch response & playing dynamics. The amp is seriously loud & with the extn cab goes up from 150w to 300w. Even though all modeling amp manufacturers like Vox, Fender, Peavey etc tend to be shall we say 'generous' in their power-ratings, this really is one seriously loud amp. But it can still be played very quietly at home thanks to its power level control.

The amp is very light & compact - the concept of an extn cab that doubles the power output is excellent and makes for a very versatile rig. You only take the cab when you need it. Stack it for more bottom end or separate for wider spread of sound.

The VC12SV gives excellent floor control including a (partly) programmable expression pedal, separate volume control, stomp box mode (but see comment below), last patch recall, floor tuner display, & tap tempo. It also increases the 8 user presets in the amp alone to 16 with the VC12SV.

Downsides are cost; you need the 1x12" extn cab to get a really big tone (all 1x12's can be boxy on their own); and the modulation/delays are combined effects so (with one exception of delay/chorus) if you select any other modulation you can't have delay too & vice-a-versa. So, you may want an external delay.

Having played the Mustangs (which are pretty good, fizz issues aside) and pretty much all the other modeling amps out there, IMHO the VTX150 Pro is easily the best sounding modeling amp currently in production with a hybrid design that sounds, feels & projects so close to an all-valve rig that any difference isn't worth worrying about.

I'm planning on doing a demo video over the next week or two on my 'Voxman5' you-tube channel, so you might want to check it out (although I only have the amp without the extn cab).

Rich :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:04 am
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[quote="Rockcat"]It's not cheap but I'd urge you try out the new Vox Valvetronix VTX150 Pro Neodymium.


Its not even listed at Guitar Center at all, and if it was, they would not even have it in stock. Im pretty discusted with this whole mess, I really wanted the mustang IV to work.

Because I own about 10 pedals and invested a lot of money in them, do I really want to
get a modeling amp ? Wouldnt I be better off just getting a regular amp and using all of my pedals to change the sound ? Thanks for your help Rockcat.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:23 am
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Rockcat,you seem to have a lot of knowledge about the vox VT+ and other vox amps and i do not want to get off topic here but i have a question for you,i bought a vox VT20+ about 2 weeks ago and you mentioned about the hiss/snare drum noise with some VT+ amps,i do not think i have the snare drum noise but i do hear the hiss or high self noise level when the power level knob is at 11:00 or higher position and even if the master volume is turned down to 0 i still can hear the hiss from the power level set at the 11:00 or higher position,is this normal for my amp or should i try another one out that may not have the hiss?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:08 am
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Rockcat, do you own a Vox Valvetronix VTX150 Pro Neodymium?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:09 pm
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Well I returned my Fizztang and bought a VOX 15c1 tube amp and I just ordered a pedal for it. It fits on the stand I had bought for the mustang and the dustcover I had bought fits very well. You would not believe how I hemmed and hawed thinking I could just get a check for the return and wait for newer Mustang IV's to arrive, but I just did not want to wait any longer as the floor model I bought was such a great deal. I got the one hundred off the cost sale, and the amp was only a month old in a special area where it had not been played by many people. No hiss or fizz, and now I can use all of my pedals and be happy. I must have spent 600 on pedals, so why buy a mod amp where I only liked just a few of the pre-sets any way.

I went to a AC15C1 forum, and not a SINGLE complaint from anyone out of hundreds of
remarks, nothing but good. Most of the Fender Amps were gone as the X-mas rush had really put a dent into the supply, and I did not have the cash available to jump up to the 899 one I liked. I wish everyone here the best luck in the world in getting Fender
to fix the fizz for you, but I just could not live with the sound I had experienced, even though it was a really great deal for the money. Good Luck !!!

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EDIT: I brought back the c1, as the grill cloth was too loose and I bought a c2
I really like it !!! http://s968.photobucket.com/albums/ae16 ... AC15C2.jpg


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