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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:17 pm
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It only counts on clean, and on mine, it's a set volume, very quiet, doesn't get louder as the note gets louder. It just follows the note duration like a carrier wave.

Once you get into pedals and efx and all, fizz could be caused by any number of things.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:18 pm
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After a few months of about an hour of daily use I don't have the fizz sound (yet?) on my Mustang III.
I have an European unit with 230V / 50 hz.
Has anybody experienced the problem in Europe with 50 hz power supplies?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:34 pm
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My fizz update.

Ive had my Mustang IV for nearly 2 months and couldn't detect the fizz at first, but after a few weeks it was noticeable when I held a note or chord too long. I thought it may have had something to do with uploading all of the presets to Fuse, modifying them and then reloading to the amp, but alas, I bought a Mustang III as a backup 2 weeks ago and it had the fizz straight out of the box, so there goes that theory.

While I do have the fizz on both, you never notice it, because unless you hold a note or chord for quite sometime until the sound of the note fades, you don't notice the fizz and it is really only the final note or chord in a song that you may hold this long.

I live in Australia and our power supply is 240v and we still have this issue here, so I don't think it is in anyway related to voltage differences between countries. The fizz is an international traveller.

As I said, the fizz doesn't represent a problem when playing live, so I am not taking them back for repair or replacement unless it gets worse.

After having some time now to put these amps through their paces, I have found, that to really get any quality sounds live, you need to dig in and simplify. Most of the presets sound good at low volume for home use, but in a live environment at volume, they are far too overdone. Too much gain and delay etc. As mentioned by others here, it is best to start with a basic amp and just add a little reverb and overdrive as required. A lot of the stock clean presets a pretty good, you just need to minimize the amount of delay and tweak the EQ's to suit your axe and you should be able to get some good useable live sounds.

My only gripe with these amps, is the stock pedals that come with them. The buttons are far too close together which causes no end of problems on a dark stage and as someone else has mentioned, there needs to be a longer delay time on going into the tuner mode when using the mode switch. Also, it would be good to be able to access more than one set of Q.A's. What I would like to see developed (maybe as an aftermarket extra), is a single floor pedal that combines the functionality of the 2 and 4 button pedals and has the buttons further apart for effecient stage use.

All in all, a pretty good product at this price point, but Fender's R&D team shouldn't stop here. This amp line has so much potential and could become Fender's bread and butter if they stay focused on the end game.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:00 am
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From a guy over in Gear Page on Sept. 8th, sounds pretty credible. He was calling Fender to check out about the fizz before he bought a new MIII...

"Before I got the amp I called fender and talked to one of the tech guys.he said the power supply is the problem on some units.they will replace the power supply under warranty if you have one with the problem.hopefully the ones they are making now do not have the problem."

Ironically, 4 out of 5 of the amps at his GC had the fizz. The one that didn't was from 2010 so he bought that one.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:41 pm
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8beggars wrote:
My fizz update.

Ive had my Mustang IV for nearly 2 months and couldn't detect the fizz at first, but after a few weeks it was noticeable when I held a note or chord too long. I thought it may have had something to do with uploading all of the presets to Fuse, modifying them and then reloading to the amp, but alas, I bought a Mustang III as a backup 2 weeks ago and it had the fizz straight out of the box, so there goes that theory.


At this point I think the "digital artifact" is just part of the current technology, and that the higher the amplifier power output, the more noticeable it is. I don't think there's anything Fender can do about it until the technology improves.

I notice the fizz most when I use the jazz circuit on my Classic Player Jazzmaster Special, using a bare-bones Fender Twin setting on the Mustang III. Since I am probably the only person who actually uses the Jazzmaster jazz circuit, Fender has little to worry about.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:19 pm
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There've been enough reports of it being a power supply issue that Fender is trying to deal with that I think we have the perp in custody.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:40 pm
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Well I got the mustang I just after they launched and was one complaining about the tail end distortion/kind of fizz. The problem is not completely gone but it's better now after a few firmware updates.

I do mostly home recordings and I don't expect those kind of amps to sound like my PRRI. So when I need a really really clean and warm tone, my PRRI is the tool I need. Never ever will a Mustang amp (or any digital amp of this kind) will sound as good as a real good tube amp but when you need versatility, the modellers are something to consider.

You can get really good and great tones from the Mustangs but for Jazz style or clean tone style of music, don't expect the Mustang series to be able do deliver a rich, clean and noise free tone only a good tube amp can do.

For the money the Mustangs modellers are hard to beat and I think Fender will continue to push those amps as far as they can. You must accept that it is not THE perfect product and that it's not a professional amp. But it's really fun and it's a good, and probably the best value for the money.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:38 am
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Sounds to me we should all just go out and buy tube amps and forget the whole modeling business... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:39 pm
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Sounds like a layer one issue. I work in Networking :) Some where noise is being introduced. And when a bus has any electrical noise introduced it is amplifies it as it travels back out. I am wondering if any shielded harnesses have been tried? Im really tired right now or I would discuss it more its 230am here.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:07 am
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DetroitBlues wrote:
Sounds to me we should all just go out and buy tube amps and forget the whole modeling business... :wink:
I think it was reported here that the problem doesn't exist with headphones. Also, as not everyone has it, it's not the modeling aspect of the amps but the analog. According to other reports it seems likely to be the power supply.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:19 pm
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Agree the Mustangs' one weak area is warm, organic, alive jazzy cleans. They can do a cold BF Twin clean good for funk and chunk chords and can really nail that old retro Jefferson Airplane clean BF Twin w/spring reverb chord chunky thing.

But for quiet, jazzy prettiness, the Stangs end up sounding relatively hard, digi and cold. Lifeless. Very SS in that realm.

But once you start cranking, the Stangs come to life.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:47 am
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I had the opportunity to use my MIII at a banquet gig last night, and the fizz was a complete non-issue.

We're primarily a male/female vocal and instrumental duo with one guitar and one flute, so there are no drums or bass to compete with. I used my CP Jazzmaster through the 65 Deluxe Reverb model with the gain almost all the way down and the master volume on about 3.75. There were 225 yakking people in the function room, and the amp filled the room. I got a couple of compliments on the amp from guests, most notably about the bass response. I couldn't detect the fizz while performing, and I know exactly what to look for.

While the fizz is quite annoying while playing at home, in a working setting--at least for me--it's not an issue.

Still, I hope Fender will find a solution.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:34 pm
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Rec'd a new III a few days ago, and no sign of fizz after careful review of clean settings with a relatively new mexican jag, a yamaha slgn and other acoustics fitted with b-band or fishman undersaddles. Nothing at all like a couple of the samples posted online.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:40 pm
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So save off all your presets and restore the factory settings. Fizz or no?

8beggars wrote:
Gents, just a thought worth putting out to the community.

I bought my Mustang IV about a month ago. I was carefully reading this thread as well as others about the fizz before buying, but decided to go ahead based on all of the positive feedback about this series of amps.

Initially, I tried replicating the fizz as suggested by others here, but mine was clean and I then proceeded to get into using Fuse and tweaking presets to suit. By the end of week 2, I had pretty much worked out which presets I wanted to use regularly and which slots I wanted to store them in. I then uploaded all of the presets from the amp to the Media library as well as other presets that I downloaded from the community. I then downloaded all of the presets back to the amp in the order that I wanted.

Now I have noticed in the last week or so, that I am able to replicate the fizz on my amp, albeit not that bad.

So I stopped to think, what have I changed in my habits, playing environment, additional equipment, that may have caused this to start happening and the answer is nothing, I am still using it the same way at the same places, the same guitars, new good quality leads etc., the only thing I have done was to upload the presets to the Fuse software and then reload them to the amp in different locations. So could it be that something in the data files is being corrupted when the above process is used. I definitly didn't have any fizz before I started messing around with the Fuse software.

I may be misguided in this thought process, but it is worth exploring whether there are any Mustang users with the fizz problem, that have never altered the presets or uploaded/reloaded using Fuse. This may confirm whether I am onto something or not.

I have ordered a Mustang III as a backup amp and should get it in the next day or two. I am going to thoroughly test and document and try and replicate the fizz. If it doesn't have it, I am going to upload all of my presets from my IV into Fuse and then download them back to the III. As soon as I have done this, I am going to test it again to see whether anything has changed. Worth the experiment.

8beggars


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:57 pm
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What manufacture date and how much new?


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