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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:16 am
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I'm always very suspicious when somebody wants to shut down a thread. Usually there is an agenda involved.

This is nothing less than the most important thread in the forum, and the most important issue concerning Mustangs. It's critical new folks coming in here have a say in the matter.

Perhaps already, or perhaps in the near future, Fender will make a running change to cure the fizz. New buyers need a place to chime in on that.

Threads get shut down when nobody has anything more to say on the matter. Clearly, many folks continue to have A LOT to say about this.

May this thread live until Fender finally fixes the amp line.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:00 pm
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BlackPatch,you have to understand that the fizz problem is a real issue for the one's here that have it and fender really has no solution for the fizz problem. I have the mustang I and V and have no fizz problem with my MV and i hope i never do. I also have the peavey vypyr 15 and 30w and these amp's have there share of problems too, almost everyone has a lockup problem of some kind, my vypyr 30 sometimes but not always locks up when i use my sanpera II foot controller with it to change banks and presets(it happens sometimes if i press the footswitches too fast for changing presets). If you buy any modeling amp check out there user support groups first and read all the reviews you could about the amp before you may want to buy one.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:40 pm
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OK, here's the short of it. MusicMaster2 is absolutely correct.

Consumers have a voice and a right to be heard. Nothing good comes from burying your head in the sand and hoping the boogie man goes away.

Why do you think that Fender asked everyone to use this thread and closed all others down, Because they want to be able to monitor consumer opinion easily in a combined thread.

Fender is on a winner with these amps and they will rectify the problem. It may be that this will be in the form of a series 2 amp release. But you can bet your bottom dollar that their R&D department is working hard on resolving the problem with this Cash Cow and it is only through the rants and raves from consumers on this forum, that will make them take it seriously enough to get a solution in place.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:07 pm
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@BlackPatch - and what exactly do you want people to contribute as regards to the fizz problem? What do you think they should be discussing?

KenB


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:27 pm
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All is good. My MIII was made 03/11 and has no "fizz" artifacts.
I was aware there could be issues before I bought it. I went ahead anyway.
I read all 35 pages of posts here on "fizz" and must say there must be or have been some issue with the hardware. It remains to be seen if I will have a problem. If I do, I'll be all over Fender about warranty to get it fixed. The audio sample that was an example of "fizz" is not happening with my amp.
My brother thought I should get a tube model like the Deluxe but I wanted the modeling,
Fuse and connectivity.
I've got a really old Gretch Artist tube amp( PP 6V6GT) and have owned a Vibro Champ and Super Reverb back in the day, (60's).

The Mustang does a great job duplicating the sound of these older amps.

Like I told my brother when he asked why I bought it, I said "Fake but fun."


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:33 am
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Well fine, I get your point. Discussing this problem is important ,but that's not what is happening right now.

I would just like to ask everyone to divert this negativity ,which doesn't help anything, to positivity in discussing this like adults. When people are suddenly talking about how this is a "lower than Squier line of amp", they're not being rational at all.

@KenB - Discussing is what's a forum is about. The fizz is a problem, so share what you tried to fix it, share what feedback you got from Fender. Be a little more constructive instead of blaming Fender for everything and spreading negativity about how Fender is the worst company ever. They are not. That's just you being over-emotional.

Now, at this point, people might think I'm a Fender employee. Well, you've got that wrong. I don't even own a Fender product as of now. I've come here to learn more about the Mustang line. I want to hear both the positive and the negative points of these amps, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But don't try to boycot the whole company and get othere companies involved. This is not what this thread was about in the first place.

If you have nothing of value to contribute to this thread, DON'T POST. Simple as that. That's all I'm asking.

Please just follow 2turbos lead, this is what this thread is about. I'm done discussing this. Even I am not being of any help to this thread right now.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:13 am
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BlackPatch wrote:
Well fine, I get your point. Discussing this problem is important ,but that's not what is happening right now.
It's about the Fizz isn't it, and as long as we're talking about the Fizz we are discussing the problem. This is the only topic left to talk about it because all others are closed, and you want this one to be closed too. If it's anoying to you just don't read it but don't take away the single place left for people to show their grief.

BlackPatch wrote:
I would just like to ask everyone to divert this negativity ,which doesn't help anything, to positivity in discussing this like adults. When people are suddenly talking about how this is a "lower than Squier line of amp", they're not being rational at all.
I think Fender are the ones not handeling the problem like adults and yes when Fender themselves are saying it's not worth to take care of the problem they themselves degraded the Mustang amps line to cheap low end piece of junk and even the name Squier would be to much to put on there.

BlackPatch wrote:
@KenB - Discussing is what's a forum is about. The fizz is a problem, so share what you tried to fix it, share what feedback you got from Fender. Be a little more constructive instead of blaming Fender for everything and spreading negativity about how Fender is the worst company ever. They are not. That's just you being over-emotional.
The one who is not constructive is Fender and with their so called official announcement they spread negativity. When someone who experiences the fizz reads this "announcement" he will be emotional yes because he realises Fender has no respect for their customers and his hard earned money is wasted. Fender is acting like we are a bunch of 10 years old, well that makes the amps nothing more then a toy and it should be sold in a toy store in a package with a plastic guitar.

BlackPatch wrote:
Now, at this point, people might think I'm a Fender employee. Well, you've got that wrong. I don't even own a Fender product as of now. I've come here to learn more about the Mustang line. I want to hear both the positive and the negative points of these amps, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But don't try to boycot the whole company and get othere companies involved. This is not what this thread was about in the first place.
Not at this point I thought it all along since you sound exactly like Loren and boycotting the whole company is just the result of Fenders actions and this strategy was coming from top level management and therefore I won't be surprised if something similar happens with guitars or whatever Fender will act the same way and people will be dissapointed again.
BlackPatch wrote:
If you have nothing of value to contribute to this thread, DON'T POST. Simple as that. That's all I'm asking.
Why, what's it to you? I've givin numerous suggestions to whatever may cause the problem like the display etc. but Fender is just ignoring it and now I have to shut up? If Fender is ignoring everything what's of value to contribute to this thread anyway. We're just lost and have nowhere to go.

BlackPatch wrote:
Please just follow 2turbos lead, this is what this thread is about. I'm done discussing this. Even I am not being of any help to this thread right now.
I agree, you're not being any help because asking to close this thread does not make the fizz problem disappear with it. You may be fine with the way Fender is treating it's customers but I think it's outrages and no one will stop me from telling others that.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:56 am
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Gents have you read my thread? viewtopic.php?f=27&t=60341
Let's get things into perspective, and I'm one of the first who found/complained/pinpointed the problem area.I'm also very angry but my next reactive step could land me in gaol(jail for you yanks) where I won't be able to enjoy playing music.We got "had" by Fender, the guitarist community is now doing what it can to even the score...within legal limits.Let's not lose too much sleep over it,if you live next door to a Fender executive I hope you train your dog/cat/family to use their garden as a latrine and then not buy their products(everything made in china ,even top line products are failing,though they continue to charge "made in USA" prices).For me quality equals seriousness.Judge for yourselves.The alleged moderators on this forum aren't to blame,they're just on the payroll and I do believe they're doing the best they can given the circumstances.Free beer for everyone!!!!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:46 am
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@ BlackPatch:
If this thread bothers you so much, why don't you stop repeatedly reading/posting to it?

Doesn't that sound more reasonable than requesting it be censored/closed? (You must be a lot of fun at parties....)
Unless you have another agenda, repeatedly asking that people stop discussing issues that are of concern to them.... <???>


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:20 pm
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Seem to be a lot of new buyers that have been fizz free. Is that an indication that perhaps Fender has made a running change fix? Dunno, just putting that out there. Given Fender's obvious paranoia about admitting anything, they wouldn't say anything about it if they had solved the problem since they refused to admit there was a problem when they had the chance.

Would not be surprised if next year (at Winter NAMM) they intro'd a new MIII Mark II fizz-free line and just let the old fizzers rot.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:39 pm
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BlackPatch wrote:
@KenB - Discussing is what's a forum is about. The fizz is a problem, so share what you tried to fix it, share what feedback you got from Fender. Be a little more constructive instead of blaming Fender for everything and spreading negativity about how Fender is the worst company ever. They are not. That's just you being over-emotional.


@BlackPatch

As I said previously, both in this thread and some of the others that Fender closed, I had an early MII that fizzed ... bad ... and a software upgrade fixed it.

What do you think owners of fizzy amps should do to try and fix the fizz problem own their own? Owners have tried software updates, different guitars, different presets, different settings, power conditioners, different electrical outlets in different rooms and prayer. One guy even produced some very good plots that showed what the fizz looked like. Owners have taken their amps in for warranty service ... some received a replacement amp that fizzed, some received a replacement amp that didn't, one reported they replaced the power supply and the fizz returned a couple of weeks later. Now we are seeing reports of Fender refusing to fix fizzy amps under warranty. Owners have done everything except tear into the amp and try to fix it themselves.

You really need to start reading a little closer ... in no thread have I said Fender was the worst company ever ... I said I would not ever again buy a Fender product because of the way Fender has treated customers who paid out hard earned money to buy what they thought was an amp that would perform as Fender had advertised ... and what they received in return was a fizzy amp that Fender refuses to fix ... and in fact blames the fizz on their customer.

Fender themselves caused the tone of this thread to change from fizz to customer service when ... via Loren Howard's post ... Fender officially blamed the fizz problem on their customers.

Fender has asked for every single bit of this.

KenB


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:49 pm
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gt george1 wrote:
The alleged moderators on this forum aren't to blame,they're just on the payroll and I do believe they're doing the best they can given the circumstances.


@gt george1

By virtue of their employment with Fender ... they represent Fender in this forum ... what they say and do is a direct representation of Fender policy in all things.

Personally, other than Loren Howard's official Fender statement regarding fizz, I have no problem with anything Fender has done here. But ... IMO Loren's statement was a huge slap in the face to their Mustang customers ... so as regards to that ... I have no sympathy to any flack Fender receives.

KenB


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:44 am
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Gents, just a thought worth putting out to the community.

I bought my Mustang IV about a month ago. I was carefully reading this thread as well as others about the fizz before buying, but decided to go ahead based on all of the positive feedback about this series of amps.

Initially, I tried replicating the fizz as suggested by others here, but mine was clean and I then proceeded to get into using Fuse and tweaking presets to suit. By the end of week 2, I had pretty much worked out which presets I wanted to use regularly and which slots I wanted to store them in. I then uploaded all of the presets from the amp to the Media library as well as other presets that I downloaded from the community. I then downloaded all of the presets back to the amp in the order that I wanted.

Now I have noticed in the last week or so, that I am able to replicate the fizz on my amp, albeit not that bad.

So I stopped to think, what have I changed in my habits, playing environment, additional equipment, that may have caused this to start happening and the answer is nothing, I am still using it the same way at the same places, the same guitars, new good quality leads etc., the only thing I have done was to upload the presets to the Fuse software and then reload them to the amp in different locations. So could it be that something in the data files is being corrupted when the above process is used. I definitly didn't have any fizz before I started messing around with the Fuse software.

I may be misguided in this thought process, but it is worth exploring whether there are any Mustang users with the fizz problem, that have never altered the presets or uploaded/reloaded using Fuse. This may confirm whether I am onto something or not.

I have ordered a Mustang III as a backup amp and should get it in the next day or two. I am going to thoroughly test and document and try and replicate the fizz. If it doesn't have it, I am going to upload all of my presets from my IV into Fuse and then download them back to the III. As soon as I have done this, I am going to test it again to see whether anything has changed. Worth the experiment.

8beggars


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:43 am
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8beggars wrote:
I bought my Mustang IV about a month ago. I was carefully reading this thread as well as others about the fizz before buying, but decided to go ahead based on all of the positive feedback about this series of amps.

Now I have noticed in the last week or so, that I am able to replicate the fizz on my amp, albeit not that bad.


The fizz seems to show up after the first several weeks of amp use, and then progressively gets worse until it levels off. In my case it showed up just after the 30-day return period expired. That's why you see people posting here saying "I just bought my MIII and it has no fizz," but few if any saying "I've had my MIII for several months and it still has no fizz."

I'm wondering if it's related to the speaker break-in, i.e. it's always there but just can't be heard until the speaker softens up.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:29 am
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How can you till when amp was made. I have the Mustang III and I have noticed a strange like hiss/fuzz on the high gain channels with the delay. So the delay sounds like hiss/fuzz not the natural note.. Is this what you are talking about cause to me that affect does not sound natural at all. Other then that I have not encountered that on the clean channels'.. I also added the new firmware but I am still not sure what it did as of yet cause I did it last night.

Thanks you all :-)


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