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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:00 am
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clejmac wrote:
I have a Mustang III and so does my son. I can't believe how much time people waste whining and complaining. If your Mustang "fizzes" return and replace it or have it repaired under warranty.

I would highly recommend the Mustang III.


Explain that to the guy on another thread that replaced his amp with the store. FIVE TIMES. Of that Fender WON'T REPLACE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE FIZZ, at least they won't mine. Good for you that you don't have the problem. Good for you.

EDIT: I don't think anyone would be complaining if Fender SAID SOMETHING. At least acknowledged the problem to those that are having the problem.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:16 am
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"Explain that to the guy on another thread that replaced his amp with the store. FIVE TIMES. Of that Fender WON'T REPLACE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE FIZZ, at least they won't mine. Good for you that you don't have the problem. Good for you.

EDIT: I don't think anyone would be complaining if Fender SAID SOMETHING. At least acknowledged the problem to those that are having the problem".....


I doubt anyone has replaced his or her amp five times.

If I bought a toaster and it toasted the bread more on one side than the other I would return it for exchange or have it repaired under warranty. I would not spend countless hours whining and creating forum threads demanding that my toaster manufacturer publicly acknowledged that there are design or quality issues with my toaster.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:21 am
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clejmac wrote:

I doubt anyone has replaced his or her amp five times.

If I bought a toaster and it toasted the bread more on one side than the other I would return it for exchange or have it repaired under warranty. I would not spend countless hours whining and creating forum threads demanding that my toaster manufacturer publicly acknowledged that there are design or quality issues with my toaster.

This isn't a toaster. I don't make my living making toast. I have a great setup already, but it's too big for jazz gigs and smaller venues. And I didn't say that had to do anything publicly. And the three at my local guitar shop all make the same noise.

Oh yeah, and it turns out that you do spend time whining on threads. If you don't have a problem then good for you. I want it fixed or a replacement without having to spend money on restocking fees and shipping charges.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:37 am
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clejmac wrote:
I would not spend countless hours whining and creating forum threads demanding that my toaster manufacturer publicly acknowledged that there are design or quality issues with my toaster.
It's not a toaster. It's a problem experienced by multiple people, some of them on multiple amps. Other people don't have it, so it looks like there are good and bad batches. Those with a bad one can't necessarily rely on replacement to solve it. Also sending a new amp for warranty service that could take weeks isn't a promising prospect.

People buy an amp to use it, not to play lottery hoping to get a good one, or to wait for a solution for weeks (months?), or to go through the hassle of replacing it multiple times.

Another difference from a toaster is that amps are much more unique. If there was a comparable alternative people would not bother with the Mustang and just go for that alternative. And in general I'd venture to guess that people would be far more troubled with amp problems than toaster problems.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:12 pm
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"This isn't a toaster. I don't make my living making toast"....

I'm confident that you don't make your living playing a Mustang III either.

Take your amp in for warranty repair!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:26 pm
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clejmac wrote:
"This isn't a toaster. I don't make my living making toast"....

I'm confident that you don't make your living playing a Mustang III either.

Take your amp in for warranty repair!


What's your angle man? You're bored an decided to piss off people just for kicks??? the more people complain, the more chances Fender will do something.

You're doing major trolling.

I am praying this Fender repairs under warranty will actually solve this problem for my Mustang III.

Do everybody a favor, go play your Mustang III with no issue and let people be.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:56 pm
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I figured mine was fizz-free, but I can hear it on the sustain of very softly-plucked notes, so that must be what folks are talking about. I play blues and rock and the volume of the fizz is nowhere near anything anybody could hear the way I play, and the band/mix context in which I play. That's because the fizz volume does not increase with the pluck attack intensity. It stays at a set level per pluck, quite low.

However, if I was a jazz player, this would be a dealkiller.

Fender needs to address this issue at once. They have really dropped the ball here.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:23 pm
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clejmac wrote:
I have a Mustang III and so does my son.

And so does your neighbour, brother and friends because, let me guess, you're actually a Fender employee and are fed up with the whining and complaining, am i right?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:51 pm
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I have no angle and for all you conspiracy theorist I am not a Fender employee. I view these topics to find hints and tips for the Fender Mustang amp series.

A shock and awe campaign against Fender by a very small percentage of Mustang owners seems to me to be a waste of time.

If your amp has issues have it repaired under warranty.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:59 pm
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All very well, clejmac, but that's still no reason for Fender not to address this issue here in this Forum.
If they were to share your opinion, why don't they just say so?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:35 pm
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All very smug to tell victims off but frankly, from all reports, Fender has no problem replacing units but guess what...they ALL have the fizz! Thus Fender's attitude seems to be...tough luck.

I suspect those who can't hear it aren't aware that you have to pluck softly and listen closely to hear the fizz clearly. Once you do, bingo. I suspect ALL MIII+ units have it, just not all players are listening carefully enough to a soft pluck sustain.

Fender is just shrugging at this point. To a lot of loud blues/rock/Metal players who tend to drown out the fizz, it's not a big factor. So Fender figures they can get away with it.

If so, they're making a big mistake.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:49 pm
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clejmac wrote:
If your amp has issues have it repaired under warranty.
Repaired how? They don't know what the issue is, or won't tell anyone. I called and was told i should just return it because there was no fix.

As far as a toaster analogy, it is grossly simplified. If you were talking about a toaster that emulated toast from the 1760's & 1920's, worked late at night with no smell, and you could plug into your coffee-maker to transfer the toast taste into a beverage, then maybe it would be appropriate. For me the issue is that i love Fender amps but would love a solid state amp that gives me the sound of tubes, but all the other fun stuff that digital provides: headphones, direct recording, tuner, etc. There is no other modelling amp that sounds as good, or comes as close to the Fender sound. It is a unique product and i think people would love to use it.

It seems fair to warn people that there may be an issue. It doesn't seem unreasonable to share experiences and hope for a fix on a product the "moaners" are obviously enthusiastic about seeing fixed.

Why do you care anyhow? If you aren't having issues, then help users in other threads. You aren't being helpful in this thread by saying "I don't have a problem so the rest of the world isn't either and should shut up" (paraphrasing here). Your survey sampling of 2 isn't really sufficient evidence. It is unfortunate you see the thread as complaining. I see it as hopeful for a fix.

clejmac wrote:
I'm confident that you don't make your living playing a Mustang III either.

baerashbrewer is an amazing player. Regardless if s/he makes a living at playing jazz i don't see a need to insult him/her.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:42 pm
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clejmac wrote:
I have no angle and for all you conspiracy theorist I am not a Fender employee. I view these topics to find hints and tips for the Fender Mustang amp series.

A shock and awe campaign against Fender by a very small percentage of Mustang owners seems to me to be a waste of time.

If your amp has issues have it repaired under warranty.


The real waste of time is wading through your whining about people who are getting increasingly tired of no response from the manufacturer of a flawed product that they paid $300 for.

Your posts have no purpose other than whatever gloating sensation you derive over having an amp that you are satisfied with. This is the wrong thread for you. You might want to check in on the thread entitled, "I have nothing of value to say".


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
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bborzell wrote:
people who are getting increasingly tired of no response from the manufacturer of a flawed product that they paid $300 for.
Outside of the US it's more, in some places twice as much.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:15 am
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"The real waste of time is wading through your whining about people who are getting increasingly tired of no response from the manufacturer of a flawed product that they paid $300 for.

Your posts have no purpose other than whatever gloating sensation you derive over having an amp that you are satisfied with. This is the wrong thread for you. You might want to check in on the thread entitled, "I have nothing of value to say".......

A good laugh is the perfect way to start a day and you have done that for me.


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