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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:25 pm
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Took my MIII in for warranty repair/replacement a week ago. Called today to check, etc. The dealer said he contacted Fender but has not heard back. I think I'll call Fender tomorrow and see what I can find out. Good thing I still have my old amp, a homebrew 6G11, Brown Deluxe.
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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:20 pm
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My MIII has been dropped of for warranty repairs today. Should be getting it back within a month...so they say.

Seems like I have a noisy electrical system but clearly something is wrong with the amp...even the salesdud cringed when he heard it, no arguing, he filled the papers and off it goes to Fender licensed repairmen.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:28 pm
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Hello,

I thought I read this before - but can someone confirm if using the fx loop (e.g. plugging in a POD or HD300/400/500) removes the digital aliasing/fizz? Or is it still there?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:30 pm
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polishbroadcast wrote:
Rubeomonte wrote:
I hope this "fizz" problem will be solved soon... so I can buy a Mustang III or IV.
Are there settings on which it is easy to hear it and so identify buggy amps ?

1. pick a basic clean amp model (ie. Deluxe Reverb)
2. play guitar
3. cry


Thanks for you answer.

I just brought back a Vox VT+ amp that had the snare brush problem. In fact I tried 4 VT+ (1 VT20+, 2 VT40+, 1 VT80+) and all had the issue, especially on clean amp models.

Isn't that strange that both Fender and Vox have similar "modelling" issues ?

Anyway, I wish that it is a coding bug so that a firmware can solve the "fizz gate" problem... and so I can buy a Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:14 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:13 pm
Henky wrote:
I don't understand this; i saw several posts of Loren Howard - Fender and Alan Willey - Fender today but they did not respond to this thread, what's going on here?
Are they saying we are imagining things, do they think it's not a real problem, do they hope it just goes away by itself?
Come on i read lots of posts from people saying they will not buy a MIII because of this problem, you can't just ignore that!
I guess my worst fears are true it's one of the 3 options:
- Are they saying we are imagining things?
- Do they think it's not a real problem?
- Do they hope it just goes away by itself?
Choose the appropriate answer.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:35 pm
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Henky wrote:
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:13 pm
Henky wrote:
I don't understand this; i saw several posts of Loren Howard - Fender and Alan Willey - Fender today but they did not respond to this thread, what's going on here?
Are they saying we are imagining things, do they think it's not a real problem, do they hope it just goes away by itself?
Come on i read lots of posts from people saying they will not buy a MIII because of this problem, you can't just ignore that!
I guess my worst fears are true it's one of the 3 options:
- Are they saying we are imagining things?
- Do they think it's not a real problem?
- Do they hope it just goes away by itself?
Choose the appropriate answer.


None of the above. I believe they know they have a problem and that It is likely that they will find and implement a fix quietly and let current owners try their luck with the warranty option. That way, there is no "recall" (which was always unlikely given the warranty).

For those who have not bought a Mustang and who have followed this and other threads, the best option is to wait until the complaints stop and then take a chance that Fender has implemented the fix and is now shipping amps that work as they were intended to work. For those who own them now, it will probably be warranty time.

Like it or not, this approach probably makes the best business sense for Fender. Given the propensity for current era modeling amps to create all sorts of things including non musical sounds, Fender can easily point to other manufacturers (check out the discussions over at the Vox web site) modeling amp issues and move on past this bump in the marketing road as though it never happened.

I would like to see them prove me wrong, but their ongoing silence and no need to prove me wrong argues in my favor.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:05 am
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I suspect you are right about the silent approach they are taking, Henky, but as a prospective III buyer (and in a country where Fender already only 'favours' me with a one year warranty !) I am certainly not looking forward to asking a dealer to unbox and let me try all the III amps he has - could be a dozen in stock at a big store - to find a definitively fizzless one.

I have already mentioned this issue to two of the local Fender amp sellers where I could get a III, and in neither case was there any awareness of it at all, which probably wouldn't make things easy if I did end up in a warranty/return situation after buying.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:18 am
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No offense intended if anyone here is a music shop salesmen but 99% of the time music shop salesmen are clueless to these things. If you want their opinion regarding which amp has the best dynamic for this and that setting with this or that type of gear, they are the ones to help you, if you don't land on "the" jackass poser of the place (there is always at least one :) )...but if you talk about specifics of products like the fizz issue you'll hit a void.

And usually, if if you hit the 1% who actually do know about the issues, they won't talk about it and play innocent, talking about issues is not a very good incentive for sales...remember part of their salary is commissions :) they will be open to talk about it only if you bring something in for warranty repairs, which is exactly what happened to me. The guy knew about it and told me right off the bat the tech might keep the amp a little longer than usual since there does not seem to be an obvious fix, the tech will be contacting Fender directly and while waiting for a response he will be checking the AC power through the whole PCB and power amp to eliminate the DSP artifacts potential issues and probably change the speaker without even testing it, like he said, a speaker is 80$ retail, official spare parts price is much lower, he's not going to spend hours testing it especially since it would be repaired under warranty :)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:26 pm
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Rubeomonte wrote:
Isn't that strange that both Fender and Vox have similar "modelling" issues?
Not to me. We live in an age where parts makers are very specialized so big companies buy their components from those 3rd parties. You get your opamps from TI, capacitors from Panasonic, LCD's Samsung, etc. It is great because it saves a ton of money on R+D and special manufacturing equipment, but can be a big issue when there is a problem with a component. Fender and Vox could have contracted out the coding and/or electrical design to a 3rd party as well.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:49 pm
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I took my m3 back to the shop today, plugged it in and I couldn't believe it... no fizz.
Brought it back home, plugged it in..... fizz city.... the shops wiring is 50 years old, my house is 19 years old. Pretty sure I'll trade up to a DRRI...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:56 pm
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LaCab wrote:
I took my m3 back to the shop today, plugged it in and I couldn't believe it... no fizz.
Brought it back home, plugged it in..... fizz city.... the shops wiring is 50 years old, my house is 19 years old. Pretty sure I'll trade up to a DRRI...


OK, how's this for a conspiracy theory? How many people who are having Fizz problems have the new "Smart" meters on their electrical service? Those meters have been blamed for everything from screwing up wireless internet to measles. I'm not sure about the measles, but we had to mess with different frequencies in order to get my line of sight wireless internet to work after the Smart meter was installed. I believe that the "Smart" meters started out in residences; not sure how many music stores have them.

Ya never know...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:22 pm
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bborzell,
I'm over here in Australia, I dont think we have smart meters. You did give me an idea! A few years ago I built on to my house and in that room I put a single power point wired directly back to the meter thru it's own separate fuse, so I hauled the M3 down there plugged it in all excited.......FIZZ CITY!!!...bummer..


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:20 am
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Has anyone with the fizz tried plugging in through a power conditioner such as one of the Furman units?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:49 am
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cormorant wrote:
Has anyone with the fizz tried plugging in through a power conditioner such as one of the Furman units?


I don't get this Music Store no fizz thing. I have tried the following:

Music Store
2 Freinds' house
A venue
A STUDIO
Power Conditioner ($300 unit)
UPC UPS
Surge Suppressor
Surge Protector
Monster Brand Clean Power Stage 1 Fliter

Nothing. Ever. Changes. Here is what I do believe though. The volume on my "fizz" does not change as much as the volume of the guitar. If I crank it, you can't notice it as much. It's there, and it did get a little louder, but it is not a noticeable as say, practice or recording volumes.

Honestly, start calling. We have tried too many after market solutions. And I am not going to go to every venue the morning before the gig and make sure that "their power is clean." (I want to use this amp for smaller venues where my rig takes up too much space).

I think we should stop trying to fix it, and start complaining. Everyone that is having this problem needs to call Fender personally. Not only call, but private message, and keep doing every day, every other day, etc until we get an answer.

Start. Calling.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:37 am
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I have a Mustang III and so does my son. I can't believe how much time people waste whining and complaining. If your Mustang "fizzes" return and replace it or have it repaired under warranty.

I would highly recommend the Mustang III.


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