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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:59 pm
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My 65 Twin preset sounds pretty darn clean to me. Just play the thing dude!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:20 am
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frondizi wrote:
by the way..
i recently noticed that in the M3 V.2 it is virtually impossible to get a real clean tone by twin and princeton models (but also bassman ..) ..
if you set the physical Master volume around 2 or a few less to keep the output level low then you can try several combinations of Gain and Volume of the models (even the gain at 1) but you get easily distortion in the attack of the notes.. it is enough to play with a little more strenght.. if you play softly doesn't occur distortion.
if you set the Master higher is a little better but however i have to low the guitar volume enough even using single coils models or real splitted humbuckers..

i hope it is a momentary interference caused by dirty current because i didn't have that problem even in V.1 ..
i'll try again tomorrow.


I can appreciate your analytical tinkering, and sharing of information and personal experiences. I don't won't to discourage any of that.

But I have to agree with captainc, at some point you just have to play the thing.

I've said it before, the Mustangs amps are not going to be for everyone. If you can't find a good tone with a Mustang, or if you find a particular nuance about the amp that you can't live with, that doesn't necessarily make it a bad amp, or make Fender a bad amp manufacturer. The Mustang is not the end all beat all of amps. But there is enough in the Mustang to appeal to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. At the very least you should be able to use it to get close to the sound of your dream rig. And if you can't, sure there will be some disappointment, but maybe it's time to move on to something else that will make you happy.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:58 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
I can appreciate your analytical tinkering, and sharing of information and personal experiences. I don't won't to discourage any of that.

But I have to agree with captainc, at some point you just have to play the thing.

I've said it before, the Mustangs amps are not going to be for everyone. If you can't find a good tone with a Mustang, or if you find a particular nuance about the amp that you can't live with, that doesn't necessarily make it a bad amp, or make Fender a bad amp manufacturer. The Mustang is not the end all beat all of amps. But there is enough in the Mustang to appeal to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. At the very least you should be able to use it to get close to the sound of your dream rig. And if you can't, sure there will be some disappointment, but maybe it's time to move on to something else that will make you happy.


Hi,

it must have been a momentary inference or malfunction of the digital circuit caused by something in the current .. (perhaps industrial washing machines in the area)
the additional distortion has disappeared.
actually it was the first time I had a similar problem.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:46 pm
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Any new news on this? I have a Mustang III and have the fizz issue. Has anyone from Fender responded?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:10 pm
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standerfer1 wrote:
Any new news on this? I have a Mustang III and have the fizz issue. Has anyone from Fender responded?

The V2 is the response my friend, like it or not. Fender is aware of this "fizz" but never considered it as an issue but the nature of the beast. Strangely enough though, this is no more the nature of the V2s :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:55 am
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Yes,
To be precise, there would have to solve that "little problem": behavior of hard clipping at the highest input levels into the amp models but I would say that compared to version 1 we made some good step forward.
After all nowadays are rare digital processors that can boast of not having the phenomena of digital aliasing at all.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:55 am
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frondizi wrote:
Scorpaeon wrote:
I can appreciate your analytical tinkering, and sharing of information and personal experiences. I don't won't to discourage any of that.

But I have to agree with captainc, at some point you just have to play the thing.

I've said it before, the Mustangs amps are not going to be for everyone. If you can't find a good tone with a Mustang, or if you find a particular nuance about the amp that you can't live with, that doesn't necessarily make it a bad amp, or make Fender a bad amp manufacturer. The Mustang is not the end all beat all of amps. But there is enough in the Mustang to appeal to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. At the very least you should be able to use it to get close to the sound of your dream rig. And if you can't, sure there will be some disappointment, but maybe it's time to move on to something else that will make you happy.


Hi,

it must have been a momentary inference or malfunction of the digital circuit caused by something in the current .. (perhaps industrial washing machines in the area)
the additional distortion has disappeared.
actually it was the first time I had a similar problem.


Hi

I bought an Miii for home/ practise because the band I play with has an Miv. Anyway, I have had some terrible instances fizz and other digital nasties especially from the Miv....really nasty hisssing, humming, and at other times crazy random flanger like effect.....because I had my cell phone in my pocket right next to my G&L axe.

Doesn't have to be a washing machine, and it was not the normal cell-phone-interference noise, so it took me a while to realise what was happening, the closer the cellphone the worse the hiss/hum, but the phone has to be 2m away to be completely safe.

Great amplifiers. You just have to learn how to drive them. With 100 presets and ( I guess) 256 footswitch combos if you use all 6 buttons (???) that is not so easy. In some ways they are too versatile ...if you expect to walk in , plug in , and be immediately happy, maybe go buy an few analogue and/ or tube amps. And a dozen pedals. And a tuner, a trolley, and a truck. Yes, the Mustangs are light (mass wise) for the output.

Most people's guitar playing is their problem, myself included sorry to say. My fingers and musical skills are well outperformed by these amps... so long as I leave the phone switched "off". Now, I should be playing instead of typing!

Cheers!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:07 am
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Doesn't have to be a washing machine, and it was not the normal cell-phone-interference noise, so it took me a while to realise what was happening, the closer the cellphone the worse the hiss/hum, but the phone has to be 2m away to be completely safe.


Hi,
Yes, i think the mobile phone should be at least 2 meters away also from the computer when you are downloading audio / video files or when you're processing, editing this file types.
I do not know what is the electric/electronic part not to be shielded from these waves, but in the past I found some files were corrupted by the noise of the signal from a cell phone .. I do not know if it was my fault or if the file was already damaged before the network sharing.

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:07 pm
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These are recorded with an M4 v1, which I love. I can't seem to hear any fizz. Can you?

Like many have said, the amp is much better than my playing. I guarantee you that John Mayer would make my M4v1 sound beautiful.





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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:24 pm
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mkunie1965 wrote:
I am torn here, BUT am thinking , which amp is a good alternative to the MIII? I kinda really like what fender did here with the software, and when I record to the pc, it is just perfect, Using a Brian Setzer sig Gretsch,, Funny playing a $3000 guitar through a $250 amp. I am not expecting the world from this, but live in an apt, I had a tweed Deluxe re, but it was too loud for my wonderful wallbanging cussing neighbors. I may live with it, and yeah the store ext warranty lets me take the amp back anytime in 2 years, thas a pretty good thing about the store extendeds,,


LOL. My neighbor is a wall banger too!!! Maybe it's the same guy? He moved in about 6 months ago after you drove him out?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:26 pm
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cormorant wrote:
jedi2b wrote:

I guess things are worse than everybody thought...


That response plus the failure of Fender TSL to respond to this thread are Fender's confirmation of the obvious--all Mustangs III-V do or will fizz, and it gets worse over time. It's only a matter of whether your style of play permits the fizz to be heard, and whether it bothers you.

Despite the fact that the fizz is often not detected until after the return period has expired, Fender's corporate attitude is "too bad, so sad."

I'm convinced "TSL" really stands for "Tough S**t, Loser"

I want my money back.


My m4v1 is 2 years old and has never fizzed. In fact, it seems to be getting better as the speakers get broken in.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:53 am
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Quick question for jedi2b. Been reading through this thread as my 3 year old M3 V1 has just developed this Sitar like fizz (rather loud and annoying). You make mention of a power amp LM38886. I looked it up and the data sheet says " Rated at 68W into 4ohm load and 38W into 8ohm load. Am I missing something here? I thought the M3 was a 100W?
John (68 year young disabled Rocker)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:27 am
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A EL34 tube is about 25 watts. So how does a marshall 50 watt amp that uses EL34 output tubes get double that output? TWO EL34's. A 100 watt marshall used 4 of em. See where i'm going here? Same thing with transistors. Depends on how many are used and how the circuit is configured.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:53 am
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So you think there may be more than one power transistor in the M3 power amp section? Thats an interesting idea; and may be part of the fizz problem if it is in fact the case.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:32 pm
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Just for reference - MIII V2 No hum or fizz here... sorry. I use the cans and the cab. Great platform... too bad Fender seems to have lost interest in it! 8)

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