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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:26 am
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I started another thread regarding the fizz issue, but by request I'll post my experiences here too.

So...
I Am Fizz Free!!!!!

My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model. I tried it out in the store, but because of the noise in there I couldn't hear the "fizz".
I've had decent luck with floor models in the past, but apparently not this time.

I took the amp back to the store and got a brand new one in the box.

When I first got the new one home I noticed some slight interference that was similar to the "fizz", but it turns out that it was the light on the ceiling right above my amp.
Maybe some of you are picking some interference from those energy saving bulbs, you know, the swirly ones.

As of now my amp works perfectly!
Aside from the regular pickup hum that every amp has, it is completely "fizz" free.
That includes the Bassman amp model which seems to be one of the models that suffered the worst.

The only difference that the new amp had was that it came with a really heavy duty power cord.
The new amp was even made with the same exact manufacturing date as the "fizz" one.

As far as I can tell, it must be that some of the amps must have been assembled incorrectly or have some random defective parts.
I'm also wondering if the floor model I purchased was a returned item that they threw out on the floor.
Maybe returned for having the "fizz" issue?

I have to say that this amp is now AMAZING!
I'll have no trouble mic'ing it up and playing nice smooth clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:20 pm
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My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model

The Mustang Floor does not have the fizz issue - at least not the issue discussed in this topic. If you had noise on an M-Floor, it was something else. The fizz issue in this topic is a problem specific to the Mustang 3, 4 and 5 (and to other manufacturer's similar products that include digital processing and a power amp in the same unit).


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:51 pm
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scott-uk wrote:
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My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model

The Mustang Floor does not have the fizz issue - at least not the issue discussed in this topic. If you had noise on an M-Floor, it was something else. The fizz issue in this topic is a problem specific to the Mustang 3, 4 and 5 (and to other manufacturer's similar products that include digital processing and a power amp in the same unit).


A "floor model" means a display model, i.e. the one out in a store for customers to try out and play with.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:05 am
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cormorant wrote:
scott-uk wrote:
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My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model

The Mustang Floor does not have the fizz issue - at least not the issue discussed in this topic. If you had noise on an M-Floor, it was something else. The fizz issue in this topic is a problem specific to the Mustang 3, 4 and 5 (and to other manufacturer's similar products that include digital processing and a power amp in the same unit).


A "floor model" means a display model, i.e. the one out in a store for customers to try out and play with.

Exactly.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:17 pm
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Why start another thread? This one is fine.

Here's the deal. If you'd read this thread, you'd know that many people, including me, have reported that fizz develops and worsens over time. If it develops after your vendor return period, Fender will not honor a warranty a claim on it. Good luck.

Ephminus wrote:
I started another thread regarding the fizz issue, but by request I'll post my experiences here too.

So...
I Am Fizz Free!!!!!

My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model. I tried it out in the store, but because of the noise in there I couldn't hear the "fizz".
I've had decent luck with floor models in the past, but apparently not this time.

I took the amp back to the store and got a brand new one in the box.

When I first got the new one home I noticed some slight interference that was similar to the "fizz", but it turns out that it was the light on the ceiling right above my amp.
Maybe some of you are picking some interference from those energy saving bulbs, you know, the swirly ones.

As of now my amp works perfectly!
Aside from the regular pickup hum that every amp has, it is completely "fizz" free.
That includes the Bassman amp model which seems to be one of the models that suffered the worst.

The only difference that the new amp had was that it came with a really heavy duty power cord.
The new amp was even made with the same exact manufacturing date as the "fizz" one.

As far as I can tell, it must be that some of the amps must have been assembled incorrectly or have some random defective parts.
I'm also wondering if the floor model I purchased was a returned item that they threw out on the floor.
Maybe returned for having the "fizz" issue?

I have to say that this amp is now AMAZING!
I'll have no trouble mic'ing it up and playing nice smooth clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:18 pm
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I posted a question to a Fender rep on another thread and I got a response if you can call it like that:

my question:
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Hi Fender-staff

I noticed you did not answer the question, let me reiterate it for clarity

"...it is reported to worsen over time and that if its discovered after the initial phase of the warranty, there is no recourse.
What say you?"

Can you please confirm or rebuke the fact that audio quality of the Fender 3-4-5 amps degrades over time? Can you provide some specifics?

Please let me state the obvious in that not answering the question is the worst possible answer you can provide in this case...


Fender rep response:
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Hi jedi2b,

We understand your frustration here. And we are not trying to be evasive. The previous response is our best advice in this case. We apologize that we cannot offer additional information regarding this for you.



original thread:
http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=81334

I guess things are worst than everybody thought...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:28 pm
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Believe me now or believe me later...
Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim and Mustangs III-V gotta fizz.

jedi2b wrote:
I posted a question to a Fender rep on another thread and I got a response if you can call it like that:

my question:
Quote:
Hi Fender-staff

I noticed you did not answer the question, let me reiterate it for clarity

"...it is reported to worsen over time and that if its discovered after the initial phase of the warranty, there is no recourse.
What say you?"

Can you please confirm or rebuke the fact that audio quality of the Fender 3-4-5 amps degrades over time? Can you provide some specifics?

Please let me state the obvious in that not answering the question is the worst possible answer you can provide in this case...


Fender rep response:
Quote:
Hi jedi2b,

We understand your frustration here. And we are not trying to be evasive. The previous response is our best advice in this case. We apologize that we cannot offer additional information regarding this for you.



original thread:
http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=81334

I guess things are worst than everybody thought...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:26 am
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Technology and gear can be fixed. Poor judgement is another story. Non answers are answers nonetheless. There is Mustang l and ll. :D

I love my Mustang l.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:05 am
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jedi2b wrote:

I guess things are worse than everybody thought...


That response plus the failure of Fender TSL to respond to this thread are Fender's confirmation of the obvious--all Mustangs III-V do or will fizz, and it gets worse over time. It's only a matter of whether your style of play permits the fizz to be heard, and whether it bothers you.

Despite the fact that the fizz is often not detected until after the return period has expired, Fender's corporate attitude is "too bad, so sad."

I'm convinced "TSL" really stands for "Tough S**t, Loser"

I want my money back.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:14 am
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CCing my answer on the other post

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Hey Robinson,

I agree with everything you say except one point.
I work with customers every day, particularly unhappy customers that have or suspect they have technical problems with the products they bought. I learned one thing well enough: if you provide vague answers (or no answers at all) to the customer when they complain, they are entitled to think that the worst possible scenario is true. It's human nature.

So in this particular situation every Mustang owner is entitled to think, based on the lousy Fender communicate that, for example, after two years the Mustangs will degrade to a point that they are going to be useless as musical amplifiers.

Unless you work for government, answering "I have no comments" is not a real option in 2012.

I would expect them at least to do some damage control and state what is going to be the worst possible impact of the fizz issue, if nothing else, to prevent people thinking the issue is worst than it is.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:51 am
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I think i might have the fizz problem with my mustang V,i bought it from M.F. in march 2011,the preset was fender clean and the amp model was the '65 deluxe,i heard what sounds like a low level fizz from my speakers no matter what string was plucked on my guitar anywhere on the fretboard,my 4x12 cab is a spider line 6 and not the mustang V cab.

I was playing my epiphone standard les paul looking for a clean fender amp model to sound good with my behringer GDI-21 analog amp modeling pedal and i found the #5 fender clean preset first and i liked how the '65 deluxe model sounded with my GDI-21,i got a great full bodied warm high gain metal sound that was much better then any of the fender high gain models like the metal 2000 for example.

I did not try out any other fender clean models to listen for the fizz problem,i will get a chance saturday to play with my mustang V again at higher volumes and then i can decide for sure if i have the fizz or if it is something else causing this problem.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:25 am
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Well, according to the Fender official note, everybody that has a M3-4-5 has the fizz, but you will hear it only under certain conditions.

What I have been trying to ask them, without success so far, is to know if these artifacts will increase over time or not.

Based on what I think is the source of the artifacts, I don't think it will increase over time, but so far Fender has been reluctant to answer to my question for unknown reasons.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:55 pm
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At the beginning, the issue was the fizz only.
Now it is a step over and the issue is that it will get worse for sure.
You really made me laugh. :lol:

What will be the next step ?

Fender doesn't want to reply to your ridiculous questions. And I agree with them.
Whatever happen, You will never be happy with your amp.
So why don't you simply sell it ?

A lot of people will be happy to play with, while you'll go on elaborating theory about Fender conspiracy.

Still reading you, having fun.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:33 pm
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I cannot believe fender is still selling the mustang III-V amps that still have the fizz unless they fixed the problem in there newer production models,fender discontinued the G-DEC 3 and there were no problems with these amps,it is overdue for fender to come out with a new fizz free line of mustang amps in my opinion!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:10 am
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jedi2b wrote:
Well, according to the Fender official note, everybody that has a M3-4-5 has the fizz, but you will hear it only under certain conditions.

What I have been trying to ask them, without success so far, is to know if these artifacts will increase over time or not.

Based on what I think is the source of the artifacts, I don't think it will increase over time, but so far Fender has been reluctant to answer to my question for unknown reasons.

I've had my MIII for almost 2 years now. Here's what I've noticed.

When I first got the amp I didn't notice fizz, and I was't aware of fizz.

Then I read about fizz here. I was able to induce it using the prescribed settings and note plucking. At first I was shocked and dismayed that my amp could have this so called defect.

Then I quickly began to realize that as I played my guitars through the amp as I normally play, on any setting of my choice (pristine clean or otherwise), that the fizz was inaudible. Months afterwards, I noticed that when I tried to induce fizz, sometimes it was more audible than others, and sometimes was completely absent (using the same settings I always have). Today when I try to induce fizz, it's only a distant, faint, remnant of what it used to be, if its there at all. On the same settings that I could clearly hear it before. I cannot pinpoint any one factor leading to this, but I contend that in my case, the fizz issue has improved over time.


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