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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:24 pm
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germanguy wrote:
This leads me to the question WHY making such a big secret out of this whole issue? Why not saying: YES, we have a problem, and this is what is wrong in the power-amps?!??
Dear FENDER, everybody knows that this amp is a "low-budget" thing, no question...but I personally think FENDER did an amazing job designing the sound and feel of this amp, why messing things up by being so rude and ignorant to your customers? Why not being this what FENDER used to be? An innovative company which did(?) care for his musical friends??



Hi germanguy.

You've honed in on half of what is making us owners of fizzing Mustangs so upset. The fizz is an unacceptable characteristic for some owners, and it's reasonable to expect that an amp which is marketed as a modeling amp will not have an annoying, non-musical noise built into it's platform. Fender's policy of stonewalling on this issue is disrespectful to it's customers, and probably unethical as well.

The other half of the outrage is Fender's refusal to accept returns of fizzing Mustangs under the warranty. I tried, and was sent home with my amp.

Fender has apparently become just another big corporation that cares about little more than its bottom line, and they're ready, willing, and able to play hardball against their loyal customers without an ounce of remorse.

Give me my $299 back and maybe I'll use it to buy the next generation of Mustang. But tell me "so long sucker," and they've lost my future business for good.

I hope you enjoy your Mustang Floor, and it serves your needs sufficiently.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:18 pm
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germanguy wrote:
After writing this I feel a bit better...and last to say, I think i am still trusting into FENDER...if the mustang wont do it for me, i am thinking of trying out the "mustang floor" with a 2x75 watts poweramp and my beloved D130F cab . This should work and give me back "my" sound...and when I think about this solution, i would be more flexible too with this and its even better to carry AND already has an expression pedal...))) I will try this and if anybody is interested in the result, let me know!


Would love to hear how it works out, so be sure to let us know (probably in a different thread)!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:31 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
For the same reason Toyota is not going to apologize because my Toyota does not handle like a Corvette.


It's not like like at all... you knew going into it that the Toyota is going to give a different driver feel than a Corvette... my Mustang-III worked perfectly out of the box and I was unaware that there was any problem associated with the Mustang amp lineup. If you read the online reviews you will see that there is no reference to any problem - all the negative review have been delete - and it was only after a couple of months that I noticed the 'fizz' sound one day. at that time I had every right to believe that Fender would repair whatever the problem was under warranty... that was until I found this message.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:24 pm
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Tony65, you received your Mustang III amplifier in June of 2012.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=72102&p=850856#p850856

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Received an early fathers days give - a Fender Select Stratocaster w/ maple fret a real beautiful instrument... and a Mustang-III amplifier

This thread was started June of 2011. That means someone didn't do their homework.

I picked mine up in March of 2012. Before I purchased a Mustang III, I did tons of research, I read this thread about fizz and listened to the "fizz" clip and many other clips on YouTube. I read all the reviews available on the major music seller websites. I tried one in the store too. I knew what I was getting into.

I could see complaining about it if you had purchased in early 2011, but there's plenty of info out there at this point.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:42 am
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strings10927 wrote:
Tony65, you received your Mustang III amplifier in June of 2012.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=72102&p=850856#p850856

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Received an early fathers days give - a Fender Select Stratocaster w/ maple fret a real beautiful instrument... and a Mustang-III amplifier

This thread was started June of 2011. That means someone didn't do their homework.

C'mon strings. Even I, the fizzy Mustang fanboy, am starting to find your posts a little on the trollish side. Anyone has a right to complain about the amps (or defend them). There's no need to bait someone into a tit for tat argument.

The amps are not for everyone. Fender has made that clear in their official statement on the matter.

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On a side note... anyone who questions Fender's big corporation integrity, you gotta ask, why the hell would they allow this thread to continue to exist at the top of their forum for as long as it has? I'll answer - because they do value and respect their customer's opinions. They took a stance how ever unpopular it may be, and left it open to us, their customers, to discuss openly on their forum.

Mustangs are not the end-all-beat-all of modeling amps. They will eventually be out done by a superior product. Most of us will continue to enjoy the many excellent tones and features we get out of our Mustangs until that day comes (more power to us). Some will continue to try different combinations of other products to try to match or out do the quality and quantity of tones and features available in the Mustang, and may or may not get satisfactory results but will definitely spend more money/time/effort (more power to you).

So what say we bury this dead horse?

No?

Ok then, please continue...

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:10 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
There's no need to bait someone into a tit for tat argument.


OK fine, everyone go ahead and cry about the equipment you bought without doing any research and I will ignore this thread like everyone else does. I'm out.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:37 am
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We continue to beat this horse because we want(ed) a Mustang that does not fizz. I was an early poster in this and other threads on this subject. I have given up on purchasing another Mustang. I had two III's that went back to GC. I had hoped that by now a solution would have happened. It hasn't. I'm close however to picking up a Floor unit. I haven't read anything about these units fizzing. Also, this issue did not keep from from buying a VM Jazzmaster in March of this year. The other Squier I have is CVC Tele. Like 'em both.
Bob


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:15 am
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its really sad that Fender keeps acting so "not PRO" regarding this issue...

After testing 2 Mustang 5 (see my former post) I decided to break up with Fender
and I gave back the Mustang to the seller. I wont try out a Mustang Floor with Power-Amp, its too much effort and not really what i want.

I will look for another company which pays attention to their customers.

Regards and good luck to all :-)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:50 am
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I bought my mustang V in march 2011 and i do not remember reading too much about the fizz problem with the M5 but i think a lot of complaints at that time were about the mustang III that had the fizz problem,if i had read all the complaints now in this thread about the mustang III-V with the fizz problems i would most likely not buy one now.

My M5 does not have the fizz yet that i am aware of and i hope it stays this way but i still would not buy any other current mustang III or IV amps,i cannot understand why fender does not discontinue the current series of mustang III-V amps and come out with a new mustang that is fizz free and that also has more amp models and other upgraded features?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:12 am
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Damn my Mustang V have started to Fizz. To bad it kicked $@! while it lasted...
I've read the first 25 pages of this thread (untill the trolls got out of control), so can anyone tell me what have happened since? Do we know what the problem is? I guess it's not firmware since it haven't been fixed. If anyone know what component is failing maybe i can fix it myself or atlest send it to a local music-store.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:03 am
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Hi Conan,

Before you hack you amp to pieces with your sword, could you try a little experiment? :)

Find a fizzing preset.
Then lower your preamp gain and channel volume and crank the master (in my experience this kills most of the fizz)
Experiment a bit with SAG and Bias and you could further improve the situation.

It would be important for all the rest of users here if you can post back with your findings, as this is the best hint for an easy fix I have right now but I can not test it myself.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:33 am
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jedi2b wrote:
Hi Conan,

Before you hack you amp to pieces with your sword, could you try a little experiment? :)

Find a fizzing preset.
Then lower your preamp gain and channel volume and crank the master (in my experience this kills most of the fizz)
Experiment a bit with SAG and Bias and you could further improve the situation.

It would be important for all the rest of users here if you can post back with your findings, as this is the best hint for an easy fix I have right now but I can not test it myself.

WTH...

I used the preset "intro clean". Low E, fizzy as always. I think gain already is at 1 so i didn't touch it, lowered channel volume and guitar-volume, set master volume at 10. But to no avail still fizz. I thought "damn, that didn't work", changed the preset to my own Thrash, played the creeping death-riff. Said to myself "maybe I should try again", back to no 02 (clean intro), but this time i removed all the effects and then did the same as before but forgot to lower the guitar-volume knob :oops: , and then accidently tapped the low E. "Thump" it said very loudly (almost a crackling sound... this can't be good, or so i thought). I turned everything back to how i usually have it, I got a small room so very low master volume, then i started play, no fizz?!?! Damn is it the effects I said to myself, nope now i can play will all the effects on and no fizz. I've turned off and on the amp and still no fizz.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:55 am
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You got that right Conan, I see the same effect myself: same preset, two different times, two different results. I'am not 100% sure this happens all the time but happened maybe 10 times to me.

-Fizz on preset A
-change to preset B and crank the master volume
-move back to preset A and the fizz is gone or greatly diminished

And in my case, when I say fizz, is more like the digital artifacts I can hear way in the back, similar in character but nowhere at the intensity you can hear on the first post of this thread . I have pretty good hearing, If I hadn't I will not be able to hear it at all. The most obvious artifacts occur at the 6th string 7 to 12 fret or so.

The dynamic nature of the artifacts (come and go, some days are not there at all) point to some sort of physical defect in design but I have no clue at what.
If I had an oscilloscope I would give it a try at opening the amp and finding where the artifacts are created.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:03 am
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My Fizz is really loud though, I think even more than the first post. Doesn't use that preset though so who knows.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:16 am
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I was just looking today, given the artifacts seems to originate at the power amp section (I have seen M3 modded with an external power amp that corrected the issue) maybe, for the more adventurous, and given that Fender will not honor the warranty regarding the fizz, it should be feasible to come up with a small DIY mono power amp to replace the one that comes with the mustang.
Should not cost more than 40 bucks or so, maybe less.
The main issue would be opening the mustang and cutting out the power amp and rewiring of the master volume pot to the new power amp.

PS: Because I feel the deja-vu already, for the nay sayers, please don't be naive, Fender cannot correct a power amp issue with firmware and will not massively recall all the amps for a fix, particularly because this amp sells so well right now. If we don't come up with a solution nobody will.


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