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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:27 am
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I feel for you guys who have a really bad fizzing MIII. That's why I opted that someone make a clip of a really bad fizzing amp and post it on youtube. I think that the clips that are already out there are not convincing enough. At least not convincing enough that Fender is willing take this problem seriously.
I only have my MIII as a reference and mine has the fizz, but it's not bad enough (at least for now) that I take notice of it and believe me, I've been paying close attention since I first heard about this problem.
Since these are cheaply made amps, my only real concern is that the fizz gets worse and that would be a real shame, 'cause this is the first cheap modeling amp that I'm really excited about, considering I'm somewhat of a boutique amp snob :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:27 am
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KenB5 wrote:
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For people that own fizzy Mustangs ... the point for them is ... that the performance of the amp is a disappointment ... and for them it may well be unuseable for their purposes ... and their opinions of the amp are not exaggerated. I'm sure the Mustang series is very successful and other people ... especially those that play dirty ... assumedly think the amp is fine for their purpose and would agree with you ... but based on the feedback in this forum ...IMO this amp should be avoided by anyone who likes to play clean.

Gee, it sounds like your speaking for ALL mustang owners. And that's kinda why I started chiming in here to begin with. I'm not trying to devalue anyone's opinion, I'm just trying to offer that there's more than one.

My amp fizzes. All Mustang III, IV and V's fizz by Fender's own admission. In MY OPINION, my amp still delivers what Fender advertised to me. I suspect that I'm not alone. Take a look at any online music gear site, the average review for the Mustang III is 4.5 stars.

I've said my peace, I just hope people who come here and read through this thread make up there own mind instead of just following the crowd.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:59 pm
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The point is not that a lot of people like the mustangs or find it suitable for them. The point is that for some number of people, possibly substantial or possibly not, there is an artifact, call it a flaw or not, that makes it unsuitable for many purposes. The issue is not that the artifact exists; the issue is that for those affected, Fender offers no reasonable remedy and continues to advertise the product to people for whom the flaw may be significantly adverse. They have a product that works great for those people for some period of time, then deteriorates, and then they tell people after the fact, too bad, we can't fix it tough luck. And then fanboys come along and try to justify Fender's non-response by saying, "well, it's only $300 bucks so what are you complaining about? It's a cheap amp, what are you complaining about?"

Your position with respect to the suitability of the Mustang is not the issue. If you like it, keep it. The issue is Fender's corporate response to those for whom the amp was marketed and for which is not suitable, and for Fender's inability to provide acceptable remedy. Which is reprehensible. If someone does have the time and energy to take on a class-action suite, I suspect Fender would not do so well with their non-defense.


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For people that own fizzy Mustangs ... the point for them is ... that the performance of the amp is a disappointment ... and for them it may well be unuseable for their purposes ... and their opinions of the amp are not exaggerated. I'm sure the Mustang series is very successful and other people ... especially those that play dirty ... assumedly think the amp is fine for their purpose and would agree with you ... but based on the feedback in this forum ...IMO this amp should be avoided by anyone who likes to play clean.

Gee, it sounds like your speaking for ALL mustang owners. And that's kinda why I started chiming in here to begin with. I'm not trying to devalue anyone's opinion, I'm just trying to offer that there's more than one.

My amp fizzes. All Mustang III, IV and V's fizz by Fender's own admission. In MY OPINION, my amp still delivers what Fender advertised to me. I suspect that I'm not alone. Take a look at any online music gear site, the average review for the Mustang III is 4.5 stars.

I've said my peace, I just hope people who come here and read through this thread make up there own mind instead of just following the crowd.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:31 pm
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Just picked up the mustang iii. Had the fizz problem. Particularly on twin reverb. Soft quieting of the envelope and fizz. Bumbed.

Upgraded firmware to ver 1.8

Problem solved!
Absolutely incredible.

Solved. Thank god.
Amp is great emulator. From champ to twin
Like it clean as possible. To a nice distortion

Cannot believe the firmware upgrade did it.
Check out ver 1.8

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:12 pm
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Doctrane, I don't expect you to read this whole thread, but the firmware update fixes a different fizz problem than the one this thread is about. A Fender rep confirmed to me that the fizz issue with Mustangs III, IV and V is hardware related, and is an issue with the power amp, not the firmware.

I hope your amp continues to please you. For a lot of folks in a lot of environments it should make a good gig-volume amp.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:10 pm
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Thanks for your reply. Yes perhaps. I'll consider myself luckys then. Cause it certainly cleared digital artifact that tooke place during clean usage at the tail end of the decay of the envelope.

Lucky me. Hope it doesn't rear it's ugly head. But considering I purchased at GC, I have 29 days left to evaluate.

Trane lives.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:33 pm
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@Doctrane

Yeah ... as DArmstrong55 said ... you don't have fizz. You have the first version of distortion to be discovered ... check out the thread "Obnoxious tail end distortion" for more info. Version 1.8 of the software seemed to fix it nicely for most folk.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:21 pm
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Version 1.8 firmware install, two factory resets and 1.8 re-install did not fix the very noticeable fizz on my MIII.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:36 am
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Hi,
i discovered the fizz on the clean sounds (after some selective test i know it was originated in the power amp section) in about two weeks from the purchase and i could bring back it to the seller for a replacement (i got another MIII , 2 months and half after!) ..

But most important, i would share my hypothesis that i was able to unveal in time the problem because i din't only use it with the guitar but i used it also, by AUX input , to amplify music, ocean sound (it's ideal to do burn-in operations) from a CD player and even amplify TV movies... so in those two weeks i did an extensive burn-in, right you would do with new Hi-Fi equipments (loudspeakers, amps, Cd player, cables) to reach faster the optimal performance.

the fact is that before that "extensive" use my first MIII didn't fizz at all! then the fizz suddenly appeared!

the new MIII continue to be fizz free (the "main" fizz in the clean sounds) but it has some problems with the octave fuzz section.. i mean that octaver effect included in the fuzz stompbox doesn't work correctly. But i don't need it.. if i want addittional effects and especially addittional distorsions/overdrives i use those in my Roland GR-55 and then enter in MIII..

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:01 am
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I can only imagine what fizz iz :)

Where is the best .mp3 representation online for this
major annoyance?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:10 am
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kidrock wrote:
I feel for you guys who have a really bad fizzing MIII. That's why I opted that someone make a clip of a really bad fizzing amp and post it on youtube. I think that the clips that are already out there are not convincing enough. At least not convincing enough that Fender is willing take this problem seriously.
I only have my MIII as a reference and mine has the fizz, but it's not bad enough (at least for now) that I take notice of it and believe me, I've been paying close attention since I first heard about this problem.
Since these are cheaply made amps, my only real concern is that the fizz gets worse and that would be a real shame, 'cause this is the first cheap modeling amp that I'm really excited about, considering I'm somewhat of a boutique amp snob :wink:



With reference to this, although it has been stated that I don't have fizz, but '~end distortion', my 'end tail distortion' certainly sounds like your example, which as I've stated is gone since 1.8 update??

Dave


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:03 pm
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Doctrane wrote:
With reference to this, although it has been stated that I don't have fizz, but '~end distortion', my 'end tail distortion' certainly sounds like your example, which as I've stated is gone since 1.8 update??Dave


The 1.8 update hasn't changed anything... at least for me it hasn't. The fizz is still there lurking in the background. Don't really notice it with the clean playing that I do. Don't play Jazz, 'cause that would probably be a whole different story. I consider myself lucky... so far (knock on wood).


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:44 pm
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kidrock wrote:
Doctrane wrote:
With reference to this, although it has been stated that I don't have fizz, but '~end distortion', my 'end tail distortion' certainly sounds like your example, which as I've stated is gone since 1.8 update??Dave


The 1.8 update hasn't changed anything... at least for me it hasn't. The fizz is still there lurking in the background. Don't really notice it with the clean playing that I do. Don't play Jazz, 'cause that would probably be a whole different story. I consider myself lucky... so far (knock on wood).


kidrock >> What's your usual amp setting that creates the fizz.
stomp,mod too

I heard it on clean particularly twin reverb

the 57 champ is wonderful for blues, just wonderful
no fizz - thank god


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:41 pm
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Doctrane, you have samples linked at the beginning of this thread.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:04 pm
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Doctrane wrote:
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Doctrane wrote:
With reference to this, although it has been stated that I don't have fizz, but '~end distortion', my 'end tail distortion' certainly sounds like your example, which as I've stated is gone since 1.8 update??Dave


The 1.8 update hasn't changed anything... at least for me it hasn't. The fizz is still there lurking in the background. Don't really notice it with the clean playing that I do. Don't play Jazz, 'cause that would probably be a whole different story. I consider myself lucky... so far (knock on wood).


kidrock >> What's your usual amp setting that creates the fizz.
stomp,mod too

I heard it on clean particularly twin reverb

the 57 champ is wonderful for blues, just wonderful
no fizz - thank god


I can hear it on most of the basic Fender clean models. No stomp or effects. Playing a long drawn out note (around the 10th position) on the low E, I hear a phaser like fizz trail at the end of the note. I did notice that on bass heavier models (like the Bassman & Twin) that the fizz is more prominent.
I can see why playing Jazz would make it worse, since a lotta Jazz tones are rounder & bassier and less twangier.


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