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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:49 pm
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I know you probably do not want to hear this but my Mustang III does not "fizz" or do anything else that I do not wish for it to do. This thing is ominous and I will keep it forever.
But again no, my Mustang III only gives a good and very dynamic sound with no artifacts or digital noise of any type in it.
I have been an R and D tech in digital audio with Polycom and other companies since 1980 in addition to being a guitarist since 1965, so I would truly notice any noise or objectionable sound in my amp.
I love this thing and play it an hour or so daily. Have had it for about two weeks now.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:57 pm
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Hey all, I got my Mustang V and matching 412 cab about 4 days ago. I just thought I would contribute and share my experience, and I'm happy to say that my amp doesn't make the sounds in the sounds clips posted at the beginning of this topic.

Just FYI

Bret


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:42 pm
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bump :)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:05 pm
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You can see what Fender's up against. If it was one sound and they all did it the same way, easy.

But every amp seems to have a slightly different version of the buzz, or no buzz. I have the very quiet version. Some guys the loud one. Some guys none.

How do you solve that? It transcends tight manufacturing tolerances and comes out in many variations and colors. That's a real mess to reverse engineer out or even trace. 5 amps have 5 different versions from zero to 60.

This could take a while.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:15 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
You can see what Fender's up against. If it was one sound and they all did it the same way, easy.

But every amp seems to have a slightly different version of the buzz, or no buzz. I have the very quiet version. Some guys the loud one. Some guys none.

How do you solve that? It transcends tight manufacturing tolerances and comes out in many variations and colors. That's a real mess to reverse engineer out or even trace. 5 amps have 5 different versions from zero to 60.

This could take a while.
Thats why wall power seems the most likely issue to me. Perhaps a bad or under-spec'd transformer?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:06 pm
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Hi from Italy!
i bought the Mustang III few days ago, and i have update it to firmware 1.64

.i'm not just a guitarrist/g.synthesist but also an Audiophile..
So at the moment i'm doing what in Hi-fi language is called "burn-in" of the celestion speaker and wires connected to it on the amp.. practically i'm playing music from a dvd player through the amp and speaker entering aux input.. and particularly it is useful to do a running or a burn in with a pure ocean sound cd that it is very similar to the annoying and disturbing white noise but contains the same, all frequencies on audible spectrum.. that will lead the speaker and cables to their full timbre quality and dynamics..
for this reason i have not yet do enough tests on the sounds available and included effects but i have already notice that an heavy fizzy sound comes and goes at least when i use reverse delay..
but the interesting thing is that it doesn't happen always but in an apparently random way .. one minute the ugly fizzy sound is there but a few minutes after the sound returns to be clean and so on.. i'm talking about a clean preset of course.

In my experience i can say that i had several problems in the past, with the quality of my high-end audio equipment .. when i moved to a new house the sound quality became often almost unlistenable.. and i couldn't understand why.. something i was pushed to the limit and i was forced to shut down my equipment and stop to listen my favourite cds.
until a friend of mine , audiophile before me, suggested me to use shielded high quality signal cables , shielded high quality and huge "Do it yourself" power cables but most important thing i discovered the existence of AC power filter strips , moreover produced here in Italy but estimated also overseas.
Since then, with all these improvements, i have appreciate again listening to music , getting rid of electrical interferences (added ultra-high order harmonics that make the overall sound sharper, flat, and less involving and pleasant) originated from the nearby industrial area..

So i don't know what is the origin of your noises on the Mustang III (or higher model) but i am absolutely sure that often the AC power that arrives in our houses is rather dirty and that can interfere with correct behavior of digital and also analog circuits..(preamp) in my case i'm sure that the alternating intense fizzy sound originates from AC power outlet and from nearby industrial..
otherwise it would be always there.. not one minute yes and next minute no more. by the way they have big industrial washing machines that cyclically stops and go of course in the working hours.
what do you think about? as a matter of fact i have the AC filter for the audio equipments but i connect directly to the AC power outlet guitar equipments like Mustang III in another room.. unfortunately that filter is so magic but too expensive to buy another one and dedicate it for guitar area at today... perhaps in a future..

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:04 am
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baerashbrewer wrote:
Okay everyone, here it is.

Please note: this is at a low volume, with a clean sound, a bassy guitar.

http://soundcloud.com/user4316001/musta ... range-fizz

EDIT: can anyone else confirm that they are getting the same sound?


Can you tell me if you used any effects when you recorded this. Any tremolo or anything like that?

Thanks,

John


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:27 pm
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Replacement MIII on the way! Fender shipped my warranty MIII today. I asked Cameron at Austin Amps to check out the replacement amp before I drive over to Austin from College Station. (~100 miles) Naturally I hope the replcement amp is free of "fizz" but, well, best to check it before I hit the highway.
Here's hoping....

Mark


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:53 pm
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kingogdogs1950.1 wrote:
Replacement MIII on the way! Fender shipped my warranty MIII today. I asked Cameron at Austin Amps to check out the replacement amp before I drive over to Austin from College Station. (~100 miles) Naturally I hope the replcement amp is free of "fizz" but, well, best to check it before I hit the highway.
Here's hoping....

Mark


Good luck with the replacement. Hope it works out.

Do you have the sense that Fender is replacing the III because they agree that the fizz is both present and unacceptable or might this just be "goodwill"?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:27 pm
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Good question. I spoke with Fender c/s today and found out the "the amp's in the mail...." I spoke with c/s, not technical support. I asked c/s what the problem was and if there was any kind of 'fix' available for the ''fizz." C/s told me that I should talk with the tech handling the warranty, Cameron at Austin Amp. The c/s guy was polite but didn't volunteer any info. Anyway, I next called Cameron. (Good guy.) He said he had been notified my replacement amp was on the way. He again said he was told to not try to fix the amp. He did not have any ideas as to why my old MIII has "fizz" but did say there is no question there is a problem.
So, my guess it that it is a straightforward replacement of a defective product. When I first called Fender a couple of weeks ago I did talk with tech support. The guy I spoke with did say there had been trouble with the MIII, but "fizz" was not specifically mentioned.
Ha... Fender refers me back to the local shop for answers but the local shop doesn't know anything!

Mark


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:18 am
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He said he had been notified my replacement amp was on the way. He again said he was told to not try to fix the amp.




What is servicable on Mustang amps? Are you just supposed to buy a new one if it breaks out of warranty?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:34 pm
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kingogdogs1950.1 wrote:
Good question. I spoke with Fender c/s today and found out the "the amp's in the mail...." I spoke with c/s, not technical support. I asked c/s what the problem was and if there was any kind of 'fix' available for the ''fizz." C/s told me that I should talk with the tech handling the warranty, Cameron at Austin Amp. The c/s guy was polite but didn't volunteer any info. Anyway, I next called Cameron. (Good guy.) He said he had been notified my replacement amp was on the way. He again said he was told to not try to fix the amp. He did not have any ideas as to why my old MIII has "fizz" but did say there is no question there is a problem.
So, my guess it that it is a straightforward replacement of a defective product. When I first called Fender a couple of weeks ago I did talk with tech support. The guy I spoke with did say there had been trouble with the MIII, but "fizz" was not specifically mentioned.
Ha... Fender refers me back to the local shop for answers but the local shop doesn't know anything!

Mark


This news, plus the fact that today Loren Howard addressed every issue EXCEPT the fizz, tells me that the problem is a hardware issue, and that there will be no firmware update that fixes it. Fender will keep quiet, and anyone who brings a fizzy amp in under warranty will get a new one.

Let us know how your new amp sounds Mark. If there are no problems after a month, I will bring mine in for warranty replacement as well.

Right now all the low notes on my amp sound like someone is playing a jaw harp along with me.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:44 pm
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Heck, I thought that was a stomp effect. No wonder I couldn't turn it off.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:48 am
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Oh man... I just bought another MIII off TGP forum. The seller states absolutely no fizz issues, I sure as hell hope so. Probably should have bought new just in case but what can you do? Is the warranty transferable? I guess in this case trust is a must.
The one I bought new from Musicians Friend a few months ago had dreaded fizz on note decay... it lasted one night in my house :(


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:55 am
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If you can get a copy of the original bill of sale from the seller, you'd be able to use the Fender warranty.


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