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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:02 pm
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clejmac wrote:
I wouldn't say pre teen guitar hero wanabees, we should all be so lucky. In your cause I would say liberal, sophmoric, non producing, journalistist wanabee. :D


Hmmm, your use of the words mathematics and liberal on the same day must be a pretty significant improvement over golly and gee.

And with your last dud response, you qualify for the trifecta; wrong on pretty much every count since you wandered in here complaining about people complaining. Contrary to your apparent world view, ignorance is not a virtue.

I'm off to see if the good folks at Fender have supplied us with an effective "ignore" button. One can take only so many assaults with dead weapons. Unless you are a glutton for punishment, I suggest you take a break from making no sense and see if you can find that same ignore button.

Have a nice day. Hope your Mustang doesn't get broken.

Oh darn, no ignore feature. I guess I'll just have to do with you as pretty much all others here have. ZAP!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:25 pm
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bborzell wrote:
clejmac wrote:
I wouldn't say pre teen guitar hero wanabees, we should all be so lucky. In your cause I would say liberal, sophmoric, non producing, journalistist wanabee. :D


Hmmm, your use of the words mathematics and liberal on the same day must be a pretty significant improvement over golly and gee.

And with your last dud response, you qualify for the trifecta; wrong on pretty much every count since you wandered in here complaining about people complaining. Contrary to your apparent world view, ignorance is not a virtue.

I'm off to see if the good folks at Fender have supplied us with an effective "ignore" button. One can take only so many assaults with dead weapons. Unless you are a glutton for punishment, I suggest you take a break from making no sense and see if you can find that same ignore button.

Have a nice day. Hope your Mustang doesn't get broken.

Oh darn, no ignore feature. I guess I'll just have to do with you as pretty much all others here have. ZAP!


It's amazing how well you can wax poetic and actually say nothing.

Do some Mustangs fizz? Yes
Do some Mustangs not fizz? Yes

I wondered on here to say if your Mustangs fizzes it is defective. Have it replaced or repaired by Fender under warranty.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:12 pm
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Incorrect assumption. It's not clear at this point that ANY MIII+ units are fizz-free. It's very easy to miss the problem. I suspect the defect is endemic to the whole line of MIII and up.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:36 am
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Still, i don 't believe it's due to the limitations of modelling because nobody reported hearing it on a MI or MII.
The key to solving this thing is to look closer to the differences between the MI/MII and the MIII/MIV/MV.
Well, one of the main differences is the LCD, it must be at least a part of the problem...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:55 am
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Still, i don 't believe it's due to the limitations of modelling because nobody reported hearing it on a MI or MII.
The key to solving this thing is to look closer to the differences between the MI/MII and the MIII/MIV/MV.
Well, one of the main differences is the LCD, it must be at least a part of the problem...


That's not the only difference. Another difference is the wattage. It could be that the higher amplification of the larger models is distorting the lower notes, or at least making it more noticeable. You will note that most complaints come from the MIII, which at 100 watts has the highest power.

Another clue is that although I searched pretty good for the fizz from the time I got my amp, I didn't hear it until the speaker was broken in. This could mean either a) I didn't know what I was listening for at first, b) the muffled speaker masked the effect, or c) it''s something that develops over time as the amp is used.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:37 am
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The Fizz characteristics seem similar to the sound artifact being reported on the Vox VT40+ modeling amp (actually described as a Hiss) and I don't see an LCD on that model.

It is 60 watts @ 8 ohms so the power relative to the Mustang III is off and it has a 10" speaker. One thing that is similar though, is the existence of memory presets (99 for the Vox and 100 for the Mustang III).

Makes me wonder if both companies are using the same memory module. If so and that turns out to be the culprit, the lack of reported noise in other Vox/Mustang models might be attributable to other specific model variations.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:16 am
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Did anyone with the fizz sound ever try to change the speaker in there mustang's?the speaker may be loose or just have some kind of vibration problems.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:17 am
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Chances are slim, but I'm hoping that it's the difference between the 1.6 and 1.7 firmware updates then. That seems to be the only other difference between the II & II and the III, IV, and V. If not, then it must be a power issue then. And we know that wouldn't be fun. (This is basing on the idea that the VOX doesn't have an LCD)

Did anyone not have a problem with an earlier firmware? Just a thought. It seems like all the complaints have been this year, nothing last year.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:38 am
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I started having this issue about a month ago, once the speaker had really been broken in but about two weeks ago I started having a major fizz, like an odd speaker vibration that is present and noticeable mostly when playing around the 10th fret on the E and A strings.

The amp is now at the shop for warranty repairs because this problem from my point of view is mostly hardware related. The small digital fizz reported be corrected with firmware since it is just that digital and does not fluctuate with volume.

My feeling is this fizz problem is more than one issue and people have a hard time separating them and describing them properly, there is too much variation in reports.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:23 am
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vassago66 wrote:
I started having this issue about a month ago, once the speaker had really been broken in but about two weeks ago I started having a major fizz, like an odd speaker vibration that is present and noticeable mostly when playing around the 10th fret on the E and A strings.

The amp is now at the shop for warranty repairs because this problem from my point of view is mostly hardware related. The small digital fizz reported be corrected with firmware since it is just that digital and does not fluctuate with volume.

My feeling is this fizz problem is more than one issue and people have a hard time separating them and describing them properly, there is too much variation in reports.


If Your fizz is driven by particular tonal pitches, it would seem that it is likely to be physical as opposed to an electronic artifact. I guess it is possible that one of the characteristics of the circuitry is to treat different tonal pitches different ways through the modeling algorithms and that firmware could be scrambled.

I wonder if anyone has tried simply shutting the power off and back on or doing a reset of the amp. If so, did that result in even a temporary elimination of the fizz?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:37 am
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vassago66 wrote:
My feeling is this fizz problem is more than one issue and people have a hard time separating them and describing them properly, there is too much variation in reports.

I have to disagree. The following information is what many people are experieincing and leaves the variation pretty narrow:

Tried the following:
Surge Protectors
Surge Suppressors
APC UPS units
Power Conditioners
Attaching an external speaker cab
Moving to different buildings/different rooms
No fizz coming from AUX source (MP3 player, etc)
-- A poster verified that running through an external power amp removes the fizz.

Possibilities:
LCD Screen
Shielding
Firmware issue
Power Quality
Power Rating

Other issues:
Noticeable by non-musicians (not "looking for it")
Not the same as other thread: "Tail-End Distortion"
Not on all amps (This is debatable now)
Been noted that happens on Mustang III, IV, and V
Issues have been recorded internationally with international power sources
Reviews have been submitted on Musicians Friend and Sweetwater acknowledging the issue
Strangely all reviews have been removed from Musicians Friend

(this is a repost, sorry, but trying to collect all the information in one place) If anyone wants to edit or add to this list please feel free to.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:36 am
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baerashbrewer wrote:
-- A poster verified that running through an external power amp removes the fizz.

If this is really true (maybe someone can verify that) then it's got definitely nothing to do with modelling.
I'm beginning to think cormorant's difference in wattage theory is getting more likely.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:36 pm
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Fender has only had 2 offical complaints on III, and no official complants on anyother model, the word from them is it a non issuie.

The main complaint came from a jazz guy. They can not replicate the issuie.

Just a FYI.

I have tried 3 different 3s none have had a issue


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:55 pm
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Twangster210 wrote:
Fender has only had 2 offical complaints on III, and no official complants on anyother model, the word from them is it a non issuie.

The main complaint came from a jazz guy. They can not replicate the issuie.

Just a FYI.

I have tried 3 different 3s none have had a issue
Cool. I'll rewrite their marketing copy then:
"High-speed, Amped Up, and Not for People with Good Ears"

You must have better things to do clejmac.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:15 pm
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Dude don't get mad at me. And no need to insult me, you do not know me or anything about me.

Call Fender and complain. That is how to create an issue with Fender.


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