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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:57 pm
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It is right to clarify again that since firmware update 1.09 or surely 1.10, except possible issue in some defective amps, the unwanted modulation called "fizz" was completely gone for what regards clean tones.. in every clean model tones available in the mustang 3 v.1


Frondizi, I can't really comment on the rest of your post, but the above statement is just not true. No firmware update ever fixed the fizz in the MIII, IV or V v.1 amps. I have the latest firmware in my MIII and it still has the fizz. I'm not saying it's a problem for 99% of what I play, just that it is there.


Ok, i had to be more precise: the Mustang 3 v.1 i'm talking about was the one the italian distributor sent to the store (after 4 months of waiting) in replacement to the first i bought.. i brough back the first M3 just 2 weeks after the purchase because the significant fizz in clean tones..
did you ask for a replacement of your amp too?
Now it's spent too much time to remember exactly but I'm pretty sure the problem appeared again in the second one but what is certain 100% is that at some point has disappeared definitively or become as inaudible as to seem nonexistent for what regards clean tones. My room is usually very quiet particularly in the evenings..
As said in crunch to overdriven tones it was still there and its presence was unmistakable that even a half deaf would have noticed.
if I continued to hear it in the clean tones , I would certainly not tolerated. I think to be very picky.

if you say that it is still there in your amp I believe you ..
the fact that with a little bit higher gains it usually appears clearly, means precisely that it exists in the background even if at levels as low as to be inaudible.

As for the initial test of the M3 Vers.2 in the same store.. I was in a soundproof closet and so in a fairly padded closet .. I did several tests, even on clean sounds and with that preset "fizz proof" (with lots of bass and all the other tones attenuated) that someone had suggested in the forum to identify a possible fizz problem..
i had the black stratocaster signature of David Gilmour and playing with energy, even with fingers and thumb, with the guitar tone rolled off, I was not able to produce any audible fizz.

With the default presets unwanted modulation did not appear even on overdrive tones .. or was very low to be covered by hiss and other noises..


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:21 pm
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Sounds like your second amp was a lucky non-fizzer, Frondizi. Yes I did bring my amp back, to a Fender authorized service center, in 2011. The fizz wasn't detectible until the 30-day return period had expired, so I brought it in as a warranty issue. Fender refused to do anything about it and had the service center return the amp to me. They didn't offer a refund, nor to exchange the amp, nor even to trade to a different amp.

Live and learn, eh Frondizi?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:00 am
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cormorant wrote:
Sounds like your second amp was a lucky non-fizzer, Frondizi. Yes I did bring my amp back, to a Fender authorized service center, in 2011. The fizz wasn't detectible until the 30-day return period had expired, so I brought it in as a warranty issue. Fender refused to do anything about it and had the service center return the amp to me. They didn't offer a refund, nor to exchange the amp, nor even to trade to a different amp.

Live and learn, eh Frondizi?
cormorant wrote:
Sounds like your second amp was a lucky non-fizzer, Frondizi. Yes I did bring my amp back, to a Fender authorized service center, in 2011. The fizz wasn't detectible until the 30-day return period had expired, so I brought it in as a warranty issue. Fender refused to do anything about it and had the service center return the amp to me. They didn't offer a refund, nor to exchange the amp, nor even to trade to a different amp.

Live and learn, eh Frondizi?


Hi,
if i undestood well, they didn't want neither repair your amp nor replace it with another ?
in which nation exists that kind of guarantee, so ineffective for the customer? if an item can not be repaired (such as the case of the Mustang) is usually the company that produces it has to give you a new one unless the warranty is expired (not your case) or invalidated.
Then i have to deduce that in old V.1 there are two kind of the same phenomenon/fizz?

one case is when the amp is hardware defective so the problem manifests itself in apparently irreversible manner after a while.. no software updates can solve the problem.

the second case i guess, when one amp has a later production date compared to the first batchs , (in my case about 6 months of difference between the first batch date and the new one) and the same it manifests the problem after a while (2/3 weeks or later) but it seems to be a momentary problem because then it disappears again definitely ..

However, to me it seemed more than a mere coincidence that it returned "healthy" as just bought, immediately after the firmware update..

Certainly in Mustang 3 version 2 the clean tones are exempt from fizz while the saturated tones are suffering from hard clipping or its consequences .. exactly the same behavior of the second Mustang 3 V.1 after the fizz disappeared definitely. (thanks to firmware update or not)

For now I have not heard anyone in the forum that says that his Mustang version 2 has the fizz even in clean tones. Several people complain and criticize the problem on distorted tones with good reason.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:46 am
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I don't want to seem like a butthole, But I had the V1 M3, had some fizz on the cleans and now have the M3 V2, Sounds nice. To show some perspective here, we are talking about a $300 amplifier. What can you really expect from it? Mine is not perfect, but It is better than the V1, I can't understand how much fuss is going into this amp. If it is such an issue, I recommend spending $1000 and getting a Line 6 d25 or something like that.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:18 pm
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mak1965 wrote:
I don't want to seem like a butthole, But I had the V1 M3, had some fizz on the cleans and now have the M3 V2, Sounds nice. To show some perspective here, we are talking about a $300 amplifier. What can you really expect from it? Mine is not perfect, but It is better than the V1, I can't understand how much fuss is going into this amp. If it is such an issue, I recommend spending $1000 and getting a Line 6 d25 or something like that.


I have to agree with you there. A lot of the presets i've downloaded from fuse and descriptions of setting used that reveal "Fuzz/fizz/buzz/bizz" have Gain, Volume, distortion etc completely clockwise and dimed. Of course there's some digital clipping/artifacting going on.

For the 200 beans i paid for The MII, i'm pleased as punch and i just have a few amps i use, have them set to clean and stick pedals in front. Done. Just got a Muff clone so can't wait to try that out... its sitting on my desk at work right now just waiting to get home.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:55 pm
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I agree, captainc, the MII is the best compromise in the Mustang Ranch. :wink:
I didn't mind the compromises in build quality and materials at the MII's price point. To me though, it was well worth it to save my pennies for an amp with pro level hardware rather than getting the MIII. The MIV and especially the MV are really encroaching on the territory of the likes of the Egnater Rebel 20, the Blackstar amps and such. Even the MIII is not far off from the Egnater Tweaker. True that these other amps have a lot less tonal flexibility than any of the Mustangs but my point is more about hardware and build quality. I was pretty careful with my MII when I had it.

I'm not saying that the Mustangs are built poorly but at their price points, more compromises have to be made in the quality of materials used and there will be more QC issues. But again, at their price points you can't really complain.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:16 pm
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Definately. It boils down to expectations. I wanted a modest amp for around 200 bones and was also considering upgrading from the GT6 to something that had better amp models. If the FX were better than that of the GT and I could put it away great but I wasn't expecting to have an entire rig solution at that price.

I made off really well. Got an amp that's powerful enough for what I need, the amp models are fantastic, time based FX are great and I can easily hook it right up to Protools 9 and record direct. Some of the Stomps could be a bit better but I'm not bothered a bit and the mod/dly/verb are great and are selectable right on top so less Laptop time for me which is great

Exceeded expections=great value

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:00 pm
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captainc wrote:
Definately. It boils down to expectations. I wanted a modest amp for around 200 bones and was also considering upgrading from the GT6 to something that had better amp models. If the FX were better than that of the GT and I could put it away great but I wasn't expecting to have an entire rig solution at that price.

I made off really well. Got an amp that's powerful enough for what I need, the amp models are fantastic, time based FX are great and I can easily hook it right up to Protools 9 and record direct. Some of the Stomps could be a bit better but I'm not bothered a bit and the mod/dly/verb are great and are selectable right on top so less Laptop time for me which is great

Exceeded expections=great value


Yeah, it seems that people expect an amp that is built like a tank (or at least a Twin), with the effects section of a G-Force, in the $200-$300 price range.

It's called REALISTIC expectations.

Sure, there are things I'd love to see changed on the MIII to make it sturdier and more pro-grade. But those aren't going to happen in this price range.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:48 pm
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thompal wrote:

Yeah, it seems that people expect an amp that is built like a tank (or at least a Twin), with the effects section of a G-Force, in the $200-$300 price range.

It's called REALISTIC expectations.

Sure, there are things I'd love to see changed on the MIII to make it sturdier and more pro-grade. But those aren't going to happen in this price range.


i don't expect the features mentioned above but i just would like to see the hard clipping problem out of the way.
if they do not want to do this type of software updates to make things easier and not even they try, for me means that they do not care absolutely nothing of customers.


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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:16 pm
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frondizi wrote:
thompal wrote:

Yeah, it seems that people expect an amp that is built like a tank (or at least a Twin), with the effects section of a G-Force, in the $200-$300 price range.

It's called REALISTIC expectations.

Sure, there are things I'd love to see changed on the MIII to make it sturdier and more pro-grade. But those aren't going to happen in this price range.


i don't expect the features mentioned above but i just would like to see the hard clipping problem out of the way.
if they do not want to do this type of software updates to make things easier and not even they try, for me means that they do not care absolutely nothing of customers.



Since I haven't heard of anyone getting digital distortion, I suspect that it IS 'taken care of,' and what you are hearing is the result of a brick wall limiter. An overload light would solve it all, assuming that people would actually look at it, and the threshold was low enough to be a useful warning.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:36 pm
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My opinion:

1) I own a Mustang IV v.1

2) the fizz is definitely there

3) I'm not recording a cd in a studio or playing in a world renouned symphony. (Most likely neither are you)

4) the fizz to me represents <%1 of the tone and the other 99+% is abosolutely incredible coming from a solid state amplifier.

5) I find most people who have never heard about the fizz who hear my amp are completely blown away.

6) it's not the equipment (especially in this case) that's gonna make or break what the audience hears, it's the player and his/ her abilities

7) I generally stay away from the twin reverb pre-amp

8) For all of the naysayers, set your pre-set for a tone you would actually play a song with, record this song and post the full piece of music for others to hear. I think most intermediate to advanced players could most likely find more faults in your technique than your equipment and tone.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:03 pm
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Fender will never be able to design an SRV in a box....

Why you ask? Because you are not him

Likewise you will never be able to purchase an Eric Johnson in a box.


Like Trey Anastasio has said and Eric Johnson has also said, it's not about having the best equipment or the most pedals. It's about spending time with what you have and getting the understand the finer nuisances of each piece of equipment. Yes I realize trey plays a 10,000 Languedoc guitar BUT I'm sure he could still blow minds with a mustang and a squire.

You can't buy talent or great tone, you have to learn, practice, and understand. The mustang is a tone monster in the right hands.

This is not a fizz denier. I hear it, I have it, it's really not that big of a deal.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:30 am
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Yes I realize trey plays a 10,000 Languedoc guitar BUT I'm sure he could still blow minds with a mustang and a squire.


Bingo. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:41 am
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Since this is the never ending thread, I thought I would give my .02 usd to the discussion.

Fizz Fizz Fizz.

I was in a guitar shop a couple of weeks ago. There was some discussion about the fizz issue. There was one guy who was particulary passionate about it. To make the story short, not only could this guy not operate the amp, he was not all that much of a player either. After I pulled out my laptop with my custom patches, and did my demonstration, no one standing around gave a crap about the fizz. I was also able to doemostrate the fizz issue on other tube and solidstate amps(or at least very close).

All in all, I think this issue is blown WAY out of proportion. I play almost exclusively clean settings and maybe have a fizz issue .001 percent of the time, and only on my Telecaster.

When I got this amp, I compared it to many solidstate and tube amps. I picked this amp because not only was this a versatile amp, but I could practicallly make it sound like the others I was comparing it to. Even some of the Tube amp snobs were impressed. Not that is sounded like a tube amp, but because of how the amp sounded period.

Lastly, I have never had an amp that was perfect. Why does a modelling amp have to be any different?

Rant over......

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:21 am
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by the way..
i recently noticed that in the M3 V.2 it is virtually impossible to get a real clean tone by twin and princeton models (but also bassman ..) ..
if you set the physical Master volume around 2 or a few less to keep the output level low then you can try several combinations of Gain and Volume of the models (even the gain at 1) but you get easily distortion in the attack of the notes.. it is enough to play with a little more strenght.. if you play softly doesn't occur distortion.
if you set the Master higher is a little better but however i have to low the guitar volume enough even using single coils models or real splitted humbuckers..

i hope it is a momentary interference caused by dirty current because i didn't have that problem even in V.1 ..
i'll try again tomorrow.


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