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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:48 pm
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There is a perfectly good and adequate recording of fizz from the very first post in this thread some 83 pages and over a year ago. It is http://soundcloud.com/user4316001/musta ... range-fizz

If your amp is fizzing, it is very easy to reproduce. Select Fender twin, disconnect all effects from the setting, set pre-gain fairly low so as not to introduce overdrive, say 3-4, set volume to 5 or so, and then master volume to suit. To record it, you must use a microphone to pick up the speakers. The fizz does not propagate through the effects loop or headphone output.

Power/line filtering remedies have no effect nor have any firmware updates. It affects MIII, MIV and MV. Honestly, this has been rehashed several dozen times over the course of this thread.

The only important thing to note is that Fender knows about it, has mentioned several times to individual customers that they know what it is and what causes it, that it is a natural artifact of the MIII-V series amps, that all of them do it or will do it, and that they won't cover complaints about it on warranty.

Fender knows what it is and what is causing it. They just won't do anything about it. And they have said that. Their statement on the aberration has been posted numerous times over the course of the thread. It bugs some people, to the point of unsuitability, and others don't care. What else is there to discuss?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:30 pm
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Interesting. I just tried the setup you mentioned. If i use the basic twin with master volume up to 7 (which I never do or they would kick me out from home) or more and play on the 7th fret of the 6th string and I close my eyes and get close to the speaker, after 2 seconds of letting the note ring I can hear REAL LOW for around one second (just above background noise) the fizz sound similar to the one in the recording you mention, but nowhere the volume in the recording. It's not audible in any other situation (preset, string or fret)

It sounds awfully close to the 5th or 7th harmonic on the 6th string but is so low volume that is hard to tell. The sound is also similar to an AM radio that is very sligthly out of tune.

I guess is a digital artifact that for some reason in some amps gets more amplified than in others.

In my particular case, it is not worth the gas to drive back to the shop I bought the amp... b ut I understand that in extreme cases as the recording you posted is really annoying.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:37 pm
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It varies from amp to amp and can develop and worsen over time, according to multiple posts in this thread. If it doesn't bother you, fine. Just be aware that if it gets worse, to the point where it does bother you, Fender won't cover it under warranty.

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Interesting. I just tried the setup you mentioned. If i use the basic twin with master volume up to 7 (which I never do or they would kick me out from home) or more and play on the 7th fret of the 6th string and I close my eyes and get close to the speaker, after 2 seconds of letting the note ring I can hear REAL LOW for around one second (just above background noise) the fizz sound similar to the one in the recording you mention, but nowhere the volume in the recording. It's not audible in any other situation (preset, string or fret)

It sounds awfully close to the 5th or 7th harmonic on the 6th string but is so low volume that is hard to tell. The sound is also similar to an AM radio that is very sligthly out of tune.

I guess is a digital artifact that for some reason in some amps gets more amplified than in others.

In my particular case, it is not worth the gas to drive back to the shop I bought the amp... b ut I understand that in extreme cases as the recording you posted is really annoying.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:21 am
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brucefulton wrote:
There is a perfectly good and adequate recording of fizz from the very first post in this thread some 83 pages and over a year ago.

strings10927 wrote:
If you are going to post an audio clip, please state:

1. Firmware Version and FUSE version loaded
2. Preset(s) used
3. All settings for preset(s), including sag/bias, noise gate, etc.
4. How the recording was made and name of recording software
5. Guitar used and approx settings on guitar (pickup used, volume/tone settings)
6. What microphone was used?
7. Where was the master volume set when recording?
8. What was it plugged into for power (a power strip? straight to wall outlet? UPS?)

brucefulton, as far as I'm concerned, that clip is pointless without the above information. I know you disagree, so no point in restating that.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:32 am
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Brucefulton,

The reason I am bringing it up now is because as a new Mustang user I am dissappointed. I have read all these posts before I bought the amp. But when I bought it, the last post was like half a year ago....so I figured hey maybe they got the problem fixed...well they have not so I wanted to let others be warned that they WILL have the fizz. It IS VERY noticeable on clean channels while letting notes ring out on any volume higher then 4 and master higher than 3. I bought the guitar center extended gigging warrentee which allows me to have a full 60 days to return it instead of the 30 day return. I will see over the next 2 months if i can tolerate it because the amp is nice...if I cant, I will get a vox.

What makes me so PISSED....if I am a company who makes a product, yes...I dont want to have to refund or fix a ton of amps(so I can kind of undsterstand Fender on that part), however, all the new amps moving forward I would make sure I have a fix in them to stop the fizz.
WHY ON GODS EARTH IS FENDER STILL MAkING FIZZING AMPS.
FENDER.......FIX the DAMN PROBLEM ON YOUR NEW AMPS!!!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:00 am
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just to add to the signal to noise ratio of this post,,,

my amp, -- does not do this... I guess I'm one of the chosen few lucky ones???


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:32 am
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Bigeclipse wrote:

What makes me so PISSED....if I am a company who makes a product, yes...I don't want to have to refund or fix a ton of amps(so I can kind of understand Fender on that part), however, all the new amps moving forward I would make sure I have a fix in them to stop the fizz.
WHY ON GODS EARTH IS FENDER STILL MAKING FIZZING AMPS.
FENDER.......FIX the DAMN PROBLEM ON YOUR NEW AMPS!!!


Early in this thread one user reports he was told by a Fender rep that it would take a complete re-design of the amp to eliminate the fizz. So I wouldn't expect it to be corrected until a "Mustang Pro" or some such thing comes out.

FYI, the Vox modeling amps do the same thing (or something similar). They call it "tail end distortion." Check out the Vox user forums--there's a multi-year thread on the issue.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:48 pm
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cormorant wrote:
FYI, the Vox modeling amps do the same thing (or something similar). They call it "tail end distortion." Check out the Vox user forums--there's a multi-year thread on the issue.

Be it fizz, steril sounding tone, lack of dynamics, or whatever, ALL modeling technology is going to have SOME undesirable attributes due to the limitations digital modeling.

It has always been my contention (my not so humble opinion) that the Mustang with fizz is still a better amp then the competition. (comparing modeling amp to similar modeling amp) Feature for feature, tone for tone, pros vs cons, and for the price point - Mustang takes the win.

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Fender knows what it is and what is causing it. They just won't do anything about it. And they have said that. Their statement on the aberration has been posted numerous times over the course of the thread. It bugs some people, to the point of unsuitability, and others don't care. What else is there to discuss?

Amen to that.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:21 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
cormorant wrote:
FYI, the Vox modeling amps do the same thing (or something similar). They call it "tail end distortion." Check out the Vox user forums--there's a multi-year thread on the issue.
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Be it fizz, steril sounding tone, lack of dynamics, or whatever, ALL modeling technology is going to have SOME undesirable attributes due to the limitations digital modeling.

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What evidence do you have the Fender Fizz is do to digital modeling? Maybe it's the power amp.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:12 am
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johnjaypl wrote:
Scorpaeon wrote:
cormorant wrote:
FYI, the Vox modeling amps do the same thing (or something similar). They call it "tail end distortion." Check out the Vox user forums--there's a multi-year thread on the issue.
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Be it fizz, steril sounding tone, lack of dynamics, or whatever, ALL modeling technology is going to have SOME undesirable attributes due to the limitations digital modeling.

...


What evidence do you have the Fender Fizz is do to digital modeling? Maybe it's the power amp.

I have no idea where Fender Fizz comes from. All I meant was that fizz is an "artifact" that seems to be inherent to modeling amps and not just Fender Mustangs.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:55 am
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FOOL PROOF METHOD OF RIDDING YOURSELF OF FIZZ

Trade it in :lol: My girlfriend has been wanting to learn how to play guitar for a while now. She's a lefty and has been frustrated trying to "learn upside-down " on my acoustics so I traded my MIII towards a little left-handed acoustic.

I was becoming frustrated with the whole fizz thing... my MIII seemed to sound OK playing single coil guitars through it but I've been playing more and more dual humbucker guitars lately which seemed to really bring out the fizz. By all accounts, the Mustang series of amps seem(ed) to have great potential but I was also concerned about how the thing would hold up over time.... my suspicion is not too great. Given how much I like my Super Champ X2 head, if I decide to get another little combo I'll probably opt for a SCX2. The new FSR cream/oxblood ones look pretty sweet and I think the build quality is far superior to the Mustang series.

I'd like to formally apologize for any fizz related comments I made in the past... like, "get over it." Mine developed the problem over time and for quiet bedroom playing it did begin to drive me nuts. I hope Fender can figure a way to remedy the problem, as again, I think the overall features of the amp are pretty sweet. Too bad so many folks are having problems with them. And if you're not, consider yourself lucky and enjoy your amp. They are undeniably fun when working properly... Cheers.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:53 pm
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JamGuy wrote:
They are undeniably fun when working properly.


I don't think anyone questions that!

But, when they worked perfectly out of the box and then develop this 'fizz' it's very disappointing that Fender will not honor the warranty and fix it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:04 pm
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Tony65 wrote:
JamGuy wrote:
They are undeniably fun when working properly.


I don't think anyone questions that!

But, when they worked perfectly out of the box and then develop this 'fizz' it's very disappointing that Fender will not honor the warranty and fix it.


+1


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:16 pm
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Does anyone know if the Mustang Floor has the same fizz or develops it over time?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:59 pm
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1,200+ posts and you guys are STILL yacking about this?

*facepalm* Wow.

Just wow.

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