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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:07 pm
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jwoertz wrote:
I'd gladly spend twice as much money for something fizz-free that will hold up through the years.


Me too!

I love the idea of the Mustang-III, but the 'fizz' has kind of soured me on any Fender amps. How they ignore what is clearly a manufacturing/design defect and leaving some of their customer with a 'fizzing' amp is not good customer service.

I've been thinking of ordering a master built Stratocaster, however having a $5,000+ guitar plugged into a fizzing Mustang-III doesn't make much sense. If they would only fix the fizz my guitar order would go in the same day!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:09 pm
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If you're willing to spend $5k on the guitar, there are many other options. Get a boutique tube amp or one of fender's tried and true tube amps and add a fender floor or one of the Line6 pod units if you need the modeling.

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jwoertz wrote:
I'd gladly spend twice as much money for something fizz-free that will hold up through the years.


Me too!

I love the idea of the Mustang-III, but the 'fizz' has kind of soured me on any Fender amps. How they ignore what is clearly a manufacturing/design defect and leaving some of their customer with a 'fizzing' amp is not good customer service.

I've been thinking of ordering a master built Stratocaster, however having a $5,000+ guitar plugged into a fizzing Mustang-III doesn't make much sense. If they would only fix the fizz my guitar order would go in the same day!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:05 am
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brucefulton wrote:
If you're willing to spend $5k on the guitar, there are many other options. Get a boutique tube amp or one of fender's tried and true tube amps and add a fender floor or one of the Line6 pod units if you need the modeling.

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jwoertz wrote:
I'd gladly spend twice as much money for something fizz-free that will hold up through the years.


Me too!

I love the idea of the Mustang-III, but the 'fizz' has kind of soured me on any Fender amps. How they ignore what is clearly a manufacturing/design defect and leaving some of their customer with a 'fizzing' amp is not good customer service.

I've been thinking of ordering a master built Stratocaster, however having a $5,000+ guitar plugged into a fizzing Mustang-III doesn't make much sense. If they would only fix the fizz my guitar order would go in the same day!

So, you have a $5000+ guitar pending on a $299 amp? I have to agree with brucefulton on this. Many other options available if your willing to pay.

For a non fizz Mustang solution, if your willing to pay about twice as much - how about a Mustang Floor into a Tech 21 Power Engine (or other powered speaker). Same Mustang modeling with zero reports of fizz. You could daisy chain the Power Engines for a 2x12 or 4x12 option.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:53 am
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I'm on the other side of the budget fence. I thought the MIII seemed like a good option, guess I am still watching & waiting re the "fizz."

In the meantime one of my options might be to drop down a bit to the Mustang II. For now, the power and size arent really an issue but I know there are other compromises. Can someone familiar with both amps help me with the following?

1. Has the "fizz" been a reported problem for the MII's ?

2. The MII has fewer up-front amp modeling choices. Can FUSE be used to add user presets (green & red banks) using the 'missing' models, like the British 70s ?

3. Likewise, can FUSE be used to add back the missing 'stompbox' options to the MII sounds, either as part of user presets, and/or to the 'Mod' button on the amp? For example, can I replace an unused Vibra effect (modulation), with a Compressor (stompbox)?

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:50 pm
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1. I have the Mustang 2. I have not heard of the fizz being an issue for a Mustang 2, but it would not surprise me if it existed (I have not heard it).

2. Using Fuse, you can get any amp or preset that works on the MIII and store it on the MII. The only difference being that only 24 can be stored on the Mustang 2.

3. As I understand it, you can do the same with stompbox options, though I have not tried it. You should get confirmation from someone else on this.

Very nice little amp.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:45 pm
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Dropping down is a reasonable option if your not concerned with the extra power and better on-board controls. But in my opinion, features vs price the III is the best value and a BIG step up from the II for only another $100. Well worth the risk that you may or may not (but probably won't) encounter fizz as a troublesome issue.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:18 pm
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Thanks for the input. Interestingly I compared the two side-by-side at a GC today, and really noticed a difference. Hard to get the settings perfectly even, of course, but with the cleanest Twin Reverb and a moderately crunchy Mesa setting on both, the MIII sounded bigger, more full-spectrum, simply better.

So I guess I will wait this out and see what happens in the next couple weeks - I may still chicken out on my 29th day with the MIII :wink:

Really sad that Fender has such a promising product that would surely find an even larger market share if they could solve this. Based on their decreasing presence in discussions like this it also appears this has become a non-issue to the company.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:58 am
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Grateful Ned wrote:
Based on their decreasing presence in discussions like this it also appears this has become a non-issue to the company.


I think it's more a case of 'they already gave an answer on the matter, so any further discussion is beating a dead horse.'

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:06 am
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Probably true, still too bad, for us and for them.

Last night my 2nd MIII started fizzing. My 14 yr old son noticed it first. I was playing with a jazzy preset and I invited him to listen - he said Dad that sounds great but maybe a little less distortion. I said hmm, that's a pretty clean preset, it shouldn't.... Oh. Crap...". Indeed the notes (worse with lower registers, interestingly) had a very unpleasant, lingering over-sound with them, as if someone had hooked up a 9-volt battery right to the speaker to create a cheap electrical sound effect for a science project.

It isn't yet as severe as what I heard when I brought my first MIII home 2 weeks ago, but I am obviously not gonna wait around and see what happens from here.

So count me out, I'm afraid. Really bummed because the sounds I was getting from this thing were otherwise amazing. Delightful blue, jazz, van halen, gilmour, lifeson, hendrix. I can't play like those folks of course but at least the tones were in the ballpark for some really fun covers.

Not decided yet if I'll give the MII a chance. Wasn't thrilled about the difference in tone vs the III when I checked it out recently. Will prob head over to GC and A/B it against a VT40, 80 and who knows what else. Good luck y'all.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:58 am
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oh man, really sorry to hear that. I must be one lucky person (at least so far). I've got all those cool tones and no underlying distortion. I wonder what exactly changes that makes a good amp go bad?? :?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:58 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
oh man, really sorry to hear that. I must be one lucky person (at least so far). I've got all those cool tones and no underlying distortion. I wonder what exactly changes that makes a good amp go bad?? :?


Well, it's not digital. It must be an out-of-spec capacitor. It clip I heard of it sounded suspiciously like crossover distortion. A filter cap somewhere drifts or starts leaking, and it changes the bias of a semiconductor so the junction is operating in a non-linear portion of its curve.

Sadly, now that virtually ALL components are made "off shore," tolerances are no longer really taken as "limits" in the specs, but rather as "suggestions."

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Something else just came to mind - I once had an oddball distortion show up in a system I was troubleshooting, and I finally tracked it down to a connection that was 'flakey." When enough signal passed through the connector, it acted fine, but when the signal dropped below a certain point, it wouldn't pass signal, and the area right around that threshold was getting that odd distortion when the connector went from conducting to not-conducting.

If someone has a fizzing amp, it would be interesting if they could pull the chassis, and reseat EVERY connector in the thing. Also, has anyone said for sure if the fizz is sent out the FX out? If it is NOT, then could someone with a fizzing amp run a cable from the FX out right back to the FX return? That would eliminated the normal in the return jack as a possible cause.

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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:00 am
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Two of our brand new Mustang IIIs just started fizzing. One is at church and one is home. The one at home was fine for two weeks and now has developed the problem. I have now been through SIX Mustang III units and ALL of them either shipped with the problem or developed the problem after a couple of weeks. Fender, the way you are handling the Mustang issue is so disappointing. I don't want to go with another brand but I have to consider it at this point.

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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:03 pm
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thompal wrote:
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If someone has a fizzing amp, it would be interesting if they could pull the chassis, and reseat EVERY connector in the thing. Also, has anyone said for sure if the fizz is sent out the FX out? If it is NOT, then could someone with a fizzing amp run a cable from the FX out right back to the FX return? That would eliminated the normal in the return jack as a possible cause.


Fender certainly have a full stack of MIII at their disposal to do all the tests they want don't you think? That, is the Fender's job my friend. Saddly, the thing is they are aware of the problem but they are not able to fix it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:26 pm
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stratquebec wrote:
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strings10927 wrote:

If someone has a fizzing amp, it would be interesting if they could pull the chassis, and reseat EVERY connector in the thing. Also, has anyone said for sure if the fizz is sent out the FX out? If it is NOT, then could someone with a fizzing amp run a cable from the FX out right back to the FX return? That would eliminated the normal in the return jack as a possible cause.


Fender certainly have a full stack of MIII at their disposal to do all the tests they want don't you think? That, is the Fender's job my friend. Saddly, the thing is they are aware of the problem but they are not able to fix it.


I guess it's easy to say "that's not MY job! Let someone ELSE do it."

It just seems like some of the people who have amps that fizz would enjoy having one that doesn't.

It brings to mind an old saying: "If you want something done, do it yourself."

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