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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:31 am
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KenB5 wrote:
Well ... IMO a busted jack is an inconvenience ... but for those bothered by fizz IMO fizz is a catastrophe.

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I'm not sure I understand your priorities here. 100% of the Mustangs are vulnerable to a broken plastic input jack. And once it breaks, the amp is completely dead.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:08 am
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KenB5 wrote:
Saying +1, Ditto or exactly in response to someones post should not be taken as inheriting his exact words as if I myself had said them ... I don't even hold you to that standard. Such things are generally understood to be more of a response to the tone of the statement rather than 100% agreement with the specific statement as if the responder said it themselves.
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If you put quotes around something followed by the words ditto, exactly, with no further clarification - there's literally only one way to interpret that.

Anyhow, we've digressed to yet another pissing contest that's going nowhere...

brucefulton was right about one thing... Fender doesn't need anyone to defend their honor. Fender's reputation and the reputation of the amp stands on it's own.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:33 pm
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thompal wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your priorities here. 100% of the Mustangs are vulnerable to a broken plastic input jack. And once it breaks, the amp is completely dead.


Sure ... if the jack is busted the amp is dead ... but it can be fixed ... either under warranty or by the owner themselves. Not so with fizz ... Fender won't fix it and the owner can't. That's my point.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:37 pm
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KenB5 wrote:
If you put quotes around something followed by the words ditto, exactly, with no further clarification - there's literally only one way to interpret that.

Anyhow, we've digressed to yet another pissing contest that's going nowhere...

brucefulton was right about one thing... Fender doesn't need anyone to defend their honor. Fender's reputation and the reputation of the amp stands on it's own.


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Interpret as you see fit ... believe what you want to believe ... whatever floats your boat ...

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:23 am
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thompal wrote:
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I'm not sure I understand your priorities here. 100% of the Mustangs are vulnerable to a broken plastic input jack. And once it breaks, the amp is completely dead.


I am OK to take back of all "dead" M3....

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:28 pm
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KenB5 wrote:
thompal wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your priorities here. 100% of the Mustangs are vulnerable to a broken plastic input jack. And once it breaks, the amp is completely dead.


Sure ... if the jack is busted the amp is dead ... but it can be fixed ... either under warranty or by the owner themselves. Not so with fizz ... Fender won't fix it and the owner can't. That's my point.

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True enough. The cheap plastic jacks, like the headphone jack, are vulnerable but they're easier to deal with than fizz, if you have it. Surely the use of such a vulnerable part made its serviceability a priority with the folks at Fender.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:58 am
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You've been awefully quiet brucefulton, are you still trying to figure this out?:

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Can you please point out where I:
1. Refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem
2. Attempt to minimize what for many people is a serious problem for musicians playing some styles and settings


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It's ok, we all make mistakes. :wink: I don't want you to stop posting because of it....

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:16 pm
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Your words speak for themselves. Especially since you decided to post them all a second time. I think everyone heard you the first time. I'm glad, apparently that you agree that there is a problem (else why would I need to refute an assertion that you don't acknowledge that) and that you certainly don't want to minimize that fizz is a problem (else why would I need to refute an assertion that you don't acknowledge that). Glad you therefore agree that there is a problem and that it's a problem for musicians playing some styles and settings. Thanks for clearing that up.


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You've been awefully quiet brucefulton, are you still trying to figure this out?:

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strings10927 wrote:
Can you please point out where I:
1. Refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem
2. Attempt to minimize what for many people is a serious problem for musicians playing some styles and settings


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:54 am
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Well I'm ecstatic that you are happy with my opinions, really you don't know just how much that means to me.

And I'm also very happy you don't feel any need to apologize for saying I said something I didn't say. Really, it's no big deal to put words in my mouth, so thank you. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:10 am
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I'm new enough here to not take sides in any arguments, but I will tell you from the first nite I played my MIII I noticed some unexpected sounds. Two in particular, call them what you will, but they have me second-guessing my amp choice.

1. An electrical 'fizz' (for lack of a better term) that accompanies and then follows held clean notes - reminds me of a cheap sound effect in an old movie when someone pulls an electric switch. I had my 14 year old (new player) son listen and he picked it out right away. Are y'all telling me that this isn't fixable?

2. A speaker breakup-type noise that immediately accompanies and follows held overdriven/distorted notes - esp on models like the Metal 2000. Almost sounds like someone's idea of an emulation of actual speaker breakup. Like someone is crunching together a piece of paper right in the center of the speaker. Again, the 14 yr old kiddo heard this without me even prompting him on it. (He has a Line6 at home but loves playing H&Ks and real Marshalls at GC, so he has an ear). This would be kinda neat if it really fit the rest of the sound but it is easily distinguishable from the real overdriven guitar sound coming from the amp. And I am playing with the master on only about 3.

I do like the MIII and would like to stick with it. All else seems to be working as intended, lots of great sounds some from this thing. Just not really excited about the extra sounds...

I did register with Fuse, downloaded latest firmware, synched amp, etc. No odd power supply situation, amp bought new from GC.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:18 am
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1. sounds like you have fizz.

2. I don't know what that is.

If you are second guessing the amp after the first night you plugged in, for whatever reason, I would suggest taking it back before the 30 day return policy expires. If it were me, I'd exchange it for another one to see if maybe it was just a bum amp. If you still can't live with it get your money back before the end of the 30 days, otherwise you will probably be stuck with it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:53 am
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Take it back and insist on purchasing the unit with the newest manufacturer date. I think the box has the manufacture date on one of the stickers. If not in a box, check the label around the back of the amp. There is a date code on it.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:11 am
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jwoertz wrote:
Take it back and insist on purchasing the unit with the newest manufacturer date. I think the box has the manufacture date on one of the stickers. If not in a box, check the label around the back of the amp. There is a date code on it.


Why do you think that the manufacturer date makes a difference?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:20 pm
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johnjaypl wrote:
Why do you think that the manufacturer date makes a difference?


There's a theory that fizzy Mustangs may have been manufactured in lots/batches ... and that buying one that was made later might give ya a little better luck at avoiding the fizz. Beats me if the theory holds true though.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:46 pm
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Update:

Went back to GC this evening, swapped out the amp for another MIII. Every amp deserves a second chance, I guess.

I checked the box on the first one - no way to tell on the outside when it was manufactured, unless one has some serial number references. The only sticker with a date on it is actually inside the amp. The first one was made in 04/2012.

At the store I just made sure I got one with a different-enough serial # to maybe get a different batch. Sure enough when I got home and checked, this second amp was actually made earlier, 12/2011. So much for trying for the newer batch, for now.

Plugged it in, updated firmware (1.10) and played. This one makes an occasional odd sound, not unlike a guitar cable being jostled or something, but clean or dirty there is no fizz that I can hear. Definitely a difference.

The excess crunch/breakup I heard on the other amp with the Mesa models is still here, but I tried a couple other modeling amps in GC tonite (Vox VT, Vypyr) and it is there on those amps also - so I guess this is an intended emulation? Wouldnt be my choice if I was designing these things but <shrug>.

Anyways....... the fizz problem does not seem to be present on this 12/2011 MIII, while it was on my 04/2012 version. Will report back if it develops. Hope this other random 'pop' type noise burns itself out, it is a bit annoying also.

Just for completeness, the serial# on the first amp (fizz) began with CGPD while this second one (no fizz, so far) begins with CGPL.


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