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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:19 am
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There should be an automated reply that pops up every time a thread starts up with "usb", "fizz", or "noise" that says ---

You should've kept your $299 and put a .1% down payment on the 12 real tube amps, and 37 real effects pedals that the Mustang attempts to simulate. Also real recording gear, a real usb interface, and your own software. And a good step down attenuator so you can get decent tone from all those tubes at bedroom levels. That should solve all your fizz and unwanted noise problems.
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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:29 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
There should be an automated reply that pops up every time a thread starts up with "usb", "fizz", or "noise" that says ---

You should've kept your $299 and put a .1% down payment on the 12 real tube amps, and 37 real effects pedals that the Mustang attempts to simulate. Also real recording gear, a real usb interface, and your own software. And a good step down attenuator so you can get decent tone from all those tubes at bedroom levels. That should solve all your fizz and unwanted noise problems.
:lol: :mrgreen: :P 8)

...I did something better. I got a Highway 1 Strat, a Brawley 124FR & a HT, a Blackstar HT 5RH, a Zoom G9.2tt, a hum debugger, a di-box, GLynch cables, and a TASCAM USB interface to record into a hot smokin' 6-core PC. ...the G9.2tt has multiple tube based amps yielding hundreds of realistic and vivid amp choice and speaker combos, plus 120 real effects to give me a system that cost me much less than $2,000.00 (the price of 2 "real tube amps"), ...that solved my "problem", finding good sounding equipment, -- feckin' good too, no complaints here! Plus, I got to try a V head for many months and will sell it off for 2/3rd's it's original retail value. Clearly, the superior choice of equipment to your suggestions! 12 real tube amps and 37 "real effects" would have cost 12 x as much to do what one tube head and a nifty tube base multi-effects box can do -- done!

Thanks for your advice!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:37 am
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I feel like my attempt at humor had gone un-appreciated. Sorry.

I'm glad you found a sub $2k rig that is every thing you were hoping for in the Mustang. I'm actually still very satisfied with my initial $299 all in one box investment.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:02 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
I feel like my attempt at humor had gone un-appreciated. Sorry.



...me too! :mrgreen: gawt chew!

Cheers! LOL!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:43 pm
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I found a better solution as well, and while somewhat more than the II, it didn't cost anywhere near $2k. And it models clean.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:41 am
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Call this the Squire at $300 and we'll be fine. Call it a Fender and fail to live up to the Fender traditional of excellence and you see why this thread lasts for 70+ pages.


maybe they were giving their customers a little too much credit by thinking you'd see a $300 price tag and not expect the greatest thing since sliced bread? :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:34 am
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brucefulton wrote:
I found a better solution as well, and while somewhat more than the II, it didn't cost anywhere near $2k. And it models clean.


Is it a British brand with 3 letters?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:00 pm
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No, I got something that plays clean, and added the external modeling effects inexpensively. My experience with the Mustang III and problems other companies have had with integrated amp modeling convinces me that the mustang line, and similar lines from other companies, is a really bad strategy except for garage band wannabes and students who really need to stretch a buck. I see very few of these in the hands of professionals, and much of that is due, no doubt, to the totally cheap approach to connectors such as the plastic input/earphone jacks and poorly considered and unprofessionally designed computer connectivity.


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brucefulton wrote:
I found a better solution as well, and while somewhat more than the II, it didn't cost anywhere near $2k. And it models clean.


Is it a British brand with 3 letters?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:54 pm
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My experience with the Mustang III and problems other companies have had with integrated amp modeling convinces me that the mustang line, and similar lines from other companies, is a really bad strategy except for garage band wannabes and students who really need to stretch a buck. I see very few of these in the hands of professionals . . . .


Wow. I find that very insulting. I am not a "garage band wannabe" or a student, I'm a working professional, and I deserve a little respect for what I'm capable of playing, not what I'm plugged into.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:26 am
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Hi strings10927.

May I suggest you not to pay attention to any comment of brucefulton ?

This guy is pissing on the Mustang amplifier series since the beginning of this thread.

Now he is running out of arguments.

So he decided to piss off any mustang amplifier users.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:52 pm
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willmodelisme wrote:
Hi strings10927.

May I suggest you not to pay attention to any comment of brucefulton ?

This guy is pissing on the Mustang amplifier series since the beginning of this thread.


Oh, please. I didn't post my first thread until 50+ pages of flames had already been posted, about a year into it. Read up.

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Now he is running out of arguments. So he decided to piss off any mustang amplifier users.

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You should probably avoid any threads with the word Fizz in the title that has a flame attached to it. It's Fender that has pissed off users, and this thread is where you find them. Don't want to hear from pissed off users, don't read the threads, clearly marked, where pissed off customers are posting. Yes, Fender has some pissed off users. They also have some satisfied users. I'm in both camps, depending on the product.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:05 pm
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Working professionals often use equipment that was not designed for professional use, but you simply can't argue that the mustang III was designed with the professional in mind. Or maybe you missed the thread where mustang III fans are pleading for a pro version. The connectors, design and overall ruggedness are simply and obviously not up to pro gigging standards.

They're on the right track with the Floor, and I might consider buying one, pending a careful review of jacks and connectors. This should be plugged into an amp with full metal or fiber-impregnated off-circuit-board input and output jacks and other hardened connectors. Any design that incapacitates an amp merely by yanking on the headphone jack wrong is not hardened pro. Before I sent mine back (at a loss, because fender wouldn't honor the warranty) I tied off all connectors with extension connectors to the carrying handle, and that was primarily for home use. I determined early on that it wasn't up to pro use. I would have kept it for a practice amp had it not been for the totally disabling fizz.

If you like it, keep it. I have posted on many occasions that I like many of its features. However for gigging, I recommend you purchase a spare or third party professional service policy, because they are somewhat fragile. It has a lot of good features. Connectivity and durability are not among them for pros.

Fender makes a lot of true pro-line amps. My advice is to get one of those and add modeling that you want through an effects loop. That could include the Floor. We'll see how that stands up.

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brucefulton wrote:
My experience with the Mustang III and problems other companies have had with integrated amp modeling convinces me that the mustang line, and similar lines from other companies, is a really bad strategy except for garage band wannabes and students who really need to stretch a buck. I see very few of these in the hands of professionals . . . .


Wow. I find that very insulting. I am not a "garage band wannabe" or a student, I'm a working professional, and I deserve a little respect for what I'm capable of playing, not what I'm plugged into.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:10 am
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Has anyone taken a signal from the FX send to see if the noise exists there? If it doesn't exist there, it's a simple analog amp problem.

How about with different guitars, or even different combinations of pickups on the same guitar? It could be the way the A/D converter interacts with different input impedance.

I see lots of people grousing about the problem, but I see nobody really trying to narrow the problem down and do any logical troubleshooting. I sometimes wonder if some people would rather have something to complain about rather than get it fixed.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:12 am
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thompal wrote:
Has anyone taken a signal from the FX send to see if the noise exists there?


Yes. The noise does not exist there.

thompal wrote:
If it doesn't exist there, it's a simple analog amp problem.

How about with different guitars, or even different combinations of pickups on the same guitar? It could be the way the A/D converter interacts with different input impedance.

I see lots of people grousing about the problem, but I see nobody really trying to narrow the problem down and do any logical troubleshooting. I sometimes wonder if some people would rather have something to complain about rather than get it fixed.

Check-out up my posts, I did a lot of trouble shooting and isolated the issues to; the DSP (routing, signal timing, fizz), cheap cables, single coil noise, typical high gain noise (both the single coil and high gain noise were fixed with a hum debugger), ground loops present in the amp and in the electrical here were fixed by sending the 1/8" output for recording to a di-box with a ground loop switch that converts the signal to xlr, then the 1.9 update came out and fixed the fizz but the trade off seems to be less gain, less bass and lower mids, where the fizz iz!

I spent months wrangling with the V head and posting up what worked.

There seems to be one feature missing in SS amps that effect the immediate feel and final tone, duplicating tube mircophonics of a tube to enhance sympathetic room vibrations, which for me, radically improves playing and creativity, a phenomena I call "liquidity", it's like turning on a faucet and the water just flows instead of sputtering and splurging and splashing like SS does.

You probably missed those posts cuzz they are buried in disuptes and arguments and flames and ... :shock:

Progress can be brutal!

I'd keep the head and use it for a power amp to drive multi-effects pedals, but the placement and quality off the connectors is poor.

I'm tempted to get the floor and see how it works through a tube amp! Howwwwever, I want to hear a lot more feedback first!

If Fender can figure out a way to simulate tube mircophonics in SS amps to liven up the playing area and put better quality connectors in the right spot, they'll have a huge success with the Mustang series!

Hopefully, Fender will realize that cutting corners cuts customer satisfaction. In the long run, that won't work. With forums where people can air their concerns...well, news travels fast!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:33 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
thompal wrote:
Has anyone taken a signal from the FX send to see if the noise exists there?


Yes. The noise does not exist there.

Check-out up my posts, I did a lot of trouble shooting and isolated the issues to; the DSP (routing, signal timing, fizz), cheap cables, single coil noise, typical high gain noise (both the single coil and high gain noise were fixed with a hum debugger), ground loops present in the amp and in the electrical here were fixed by sending the 1/8" output for recording to a di-box with a ground loop switch that converts the signal to xlr, then the 1.9 update came out and fixed the fizz but the trade off seems to be less gain, less bass and lower mids, where the fizz iz!

I spent months wrangling with the V head and posting up what worked.

There seems to be one feature missing in SS amps that effect the immediate feel and final tone, duplicating tube mircophonics of a tube to enhance sympathetic room vibrations, which for me, radically improves playing and creativity, a phenomena I call "liquidity", it's like turning on a faucet and the water just flows instead of sputtering and splurging and splashing like SS does.

You probably missed those posts cuzz they are buried in disuptes and arguments and flames and ... :shock:


Well, you are right in that I got a few pages into the gripe-fest and cut to the last couple of pages. I simply got tired of seeing nothing except page after page of people simply complaining. :?

Most say the "fizz" isn't present at the headphone out, and you say it's not present at the FX Send. That means that the noise is not in the digital realm, so that rules out A/D conversion, digital processing, and D/A conversion.

I did see one person say that his "fizz" happens mostly when you play a B or Bb on the low E string. This especially points to a power filtering issue.

I've only had mine for a couple of weeks, so I don't have a lot of time in on it yet (I spent several days wrestling with Windows to get FUSE to run). I've tried to reproduce The Fizz on mine, and I don't hear it.

My only gripes with the amp are: they should have used a full-size USB connector, should have NEVER used 1/8" jacks, and should have used a metal 1/4" input jack. BUT, I also understand that it's a $300 amp that's loaded with a 12" Celestion. Expecting a $300 amp to have the same build quality as a Twin is nonsense.

Thanks for the note.

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