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Post subject: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:12 pm
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Does anyone know how to get straight amp tone, no amp modeling, on the Mustang IV amp


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:32 pm
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There is no 'straight amp tone' or channel on the Mustangs - they are modelling amps, and even if you remove all the effects from any preset you will still always be left with the sound of one of the basic amp models; there is no way of turning those off.

Maybe they should include a Mustang amp model along with all the others !


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:38 pm
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depepat wrote:
Maybe they should include a Mustang amp model along with all the others !



Yes... but what does it sound like? :wink:

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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:43 am
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Should have seen that coming !

Presumably if one built a Mustang amp with just the hardware basics, and without the modelling firmware, we would find out - but would we actually like the result ?

I would assume that pretty much every solid state amp, even those with so called 'clean' channels, has some sort of circuitry that impacts on/tries to enhance the 'natural' sound of the amps hardware, and even valves 'modify' an amp's tone as they heat up and sag etc.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not sure you can ever call the sound of an amp 'straight'.


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:14 am
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I think the word we're looking for here is "Flat". I really think that there is a way for Fender to create a model that has an EQ curve designed to flatten out the Mustang speaker's frequency response. The only catch is that they'd have to do that to each Mustang model (I, II, III, IV) as each one will have its own frequency response characteristics. Note that I left out the Mustang V as it has no speakers but, it could still have a "Flat" model designed to compensate the response of the Fender Cab designed for it. It won't be a perfect solution to be sure as the high frequencies would still be lacking because of the absence of a tweeter.

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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:03 am
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Just plug into the FX return. Job's a good'n.


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:51 am
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I have had some success using the Brit Jangle (AC-30) model with the cab option turned off. Then tweak the tone controls to your liking, and keep the gain low. It's not what I want but it's the closest I can come to an uncolored sound until Fender updates us with an Acoustic amp model. Right, Fender???????


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:02 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
I think the word we're looking for here is "Flat". I really think that there is a way for Fender to create a model that has an EQ curve designed to flatten out the Mustang speaker's frequency response. The only catch is that they'd have to do that to each Mustang model (I, II, III, IV) as each one will have its own frequency response characteristics. Note that I left out the Mustang V as it has no speakers but, it could still have a "Flat" model designed to compensate the response of the Fender Cab designed for it. It won't be a perfect solution to be sure as the high frequencies would still be lacking because of the absence of a tweeter.

O.


It would be useful to have a "flat" model, even if it was only for sending data to the usb port. Then a mustang would be a useful front end for Amplitube.

Just a thought.
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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:59 pm
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Hi John,

I would suggest that you try the '57 Deluxe model, with the gain at zero and volume at 10. Disable all effects. That should be a good stating place. Please let me know if I can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:29 pm
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A clean "what"? 57 Fender? AC? Marshall? There is no native "Mustang" tone.


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:33 pm
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Hi John,

This is a modeling amp. So, it is based on a variety of models. There is not a "native" Fender Mustang model so to speak. I would try the '57 Deluxe, with the suggested settings and see if that works for you. And you can do the same thing with any of the other models.

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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:48 am
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Alan Willey - Fender wrote:
Hi John,

This is a modeling amp. So, it is based on a variety of models. There is not a "native" Fender Mustang model so to speak. I would try the '57 Deluxe, with the suggested settings and see if that works for you. And you can do the same thing with any of the other models.

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I'm suggesting a new model for the amp. Let's call it Transparent. Just a straight up sampled input as accurate as the onboard a/d can do passed along to the usb port. Then the Mustangs can front end Amplitube (which would take the raw signal and make it sound good) or anything else that you might be using on your computer without a signal modifying model in the mustag being part of the chain.

Of course I have no idea what kind of hardware is in the box doing it's magic but it doesn't seem like a stretch to imagne that there's a processor that can access the "flat" a/d output and then pass it along unmunged to the usb. Or if it's not a processor but bits of digital hardware, can't they be set "transparent", that is, whatever comes in goes out?

It seems like a Transparent model like this would be useful to help folks understand what Amplitube really sounds like without having to buy another computer interface for their guitar. As it stands, it's not clear what is mustang and what is Amplitube; I'm being a bit nit picky here.

A "demo" version of Amplitube came with my Mustang but it seems like I have to buy something else to really test what it sounds like with a straight a/d interface.

Being able to record the "raw" guitar signal has other uses too.

I could be misunderstanding something here so correct me if I am.

John


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:50 am
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I think the term we're looking for is 'bypass mode'. Where the signal bypasses any amp model/effects coloring. Just straight from guitar to speaker (or USB). That would be a great feature.


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:30 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
I think the term we're looking for is 'bypass mode'. Where the signal bypasses any amp model/effects coloring. Just straight from guitar to speaker (or USB). That would be a great feature.


I don't know how good or bad it would make the mustang sound if all the coloring was taken out. Thinking about it some more it might be more useful if just the USB had a fuse switch that caused the mustang to send raw data to the computer and not the data from the output of the signal chain. Then if you wanted to hear the amp while the computer was getting the guitars raw signal you could still get good sound.


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Post subject: Re: straight amp tone, no modeling, on the mustang IV
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:56 am
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If you could send raw, uncolored signal to the speaker, it would essentially make the amp a monitor. Or going through USB, essentialy a straight up interface. You would get the raw, uncolored tone of the guitar. The purpose would not be to get a good raw tone per se, but just to get a raw tone that you could color with something other than the onboard amp models. (ie, Amplitube, or another stand alone multi-effect pedal)


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