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Post subject: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:41 pm
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Hello,

I've been using my Fender Mustang III for almost 3 weeks now, and it works great stand-alone - no problems there.
The day I got the amp I set up all of the software right away to see if it works, and... long story short: not very much worked. So I didn't bother with it until now.

I think there is some sort of conflict with my internal sound driver on my Thinkpad t60 using a SoundMAX driver. Here's what I see:
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Also in the Amplitude Software:
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My internal sound driver is not listed here, and I'm assuming the Mustang III doesn't have an "output". Also the other one listed there is my M-Audio FastTrack USB ASIO driver, which shouldn't conflict with it. I hope not..

I've searched around, played around... can't seem to get it to work. Also, updating my amp to the current version changed the driver setting windows that are above to what they are now. Before, the amplitude box displayed the "Fender Universal ASIO" in the input audio interface like it does now BUT the input channel showed only "SoundMAX" which is my internal sound card - does not make any sense. Now it just seems closer, but still no happy result.

Thanks for any help in advance.


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:50 pm
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Is this the wrong place to post this? If so, please redirect me to the correct spot.

One update I can give is that I CAN'T do the output of my m-audio fast track usb. It cuts in and out every second it seems. I changed latency and buffer, but it doesn't do anything.

I guess a simple answer to my question would be to get a different sound card (which I would just get a different system entirely, a desktop rather than a laptop, to start off my actual home studio. :) )

Thanks in advance.


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:00 pm
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As you guessed, the Mustang USB only sends audio out of the amp and can't receive audio so it won't be an available "audio out" device for the computer.

IMO your more likely to run into resource conflicts when dealing with multiple peripheral devices on a laptop - as you are experiencing right now. It's might be possible to solve these problems but you have to figure out the root of those problems on your specific computer because most manufactures change the specs on components according how cheaply they can manufacture them at any given time - even on laptops with duplicate model numbers.

There is software available for testing computers for audio recording suitability and diagnosing audio problems - much of it is free. The best place to find out about such software and how to use it is on forums for various DAW software. So you need to choose a DAW - ProTools, Cubase, Sonar, REAPER etc. - then join the associated forum and get the advice of the experts there.

For instance, for your problem with the dropouts on your M-Audio Fast Track, if your running Window 7 (it won't work with previous Windows versions), You can try running Replendence LatencyMon.

Your better of with a desktop for a home studio, laptops only have one hard drive (on some you can sacrifice the DVD to add a second). You really need two, one to host the OS and DAW software and another to be used as the recording media - like tape in the old days.

Laptops (even some of the more powerful netbooks) are fine for being a "portable recording device". But, as far as basing a home studio around one... not a good idea unless your willing to shell out the bucks for one especially designed and professionally setup for the task. The problems come when you start building up tracks, running VST's and VSTI's and editing the audio while mixing it into a cohesive product.


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:49 am
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violoncellemuse wrote:
Is this the wrong place to post this? If so, please redirect me to the correct spot.

One update I can give is that I CAN'T do the output of my m-audio fast track usb. It cuts in and out every second it seems. I changed latency and buffer, but it doesn't do anything.

I guess a simple answer to my question would be to get a different sound card (which I would just get a different system entirely, a desktop rather than a laptop, to start off my actual home studio. :) )

Thanks in advance.


Yes, this should be in the FUSE Software forum - however:

The Fuse driver is a a ONE-Way driver as P90 says. It is the only driver Fender provides so that is what you will need to use if you want to say in the "digital" format. You could mic the amp or if your model has a line out you colud use that as a sound source.


Only one ASIO driver can be used at a time so a possible work around is to drop back to a MME or DMA driver for the "output" audio driver". As mentioned above this may or may not introduce a latency issue. Depends on the hardware configuration and OS.

I've gone the "line out" route with my MV Head and that is a great solution for me.

Best of success in geting this worked out.

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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:08 pm
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Well, it's not necessarily JUST fender fuse. Actually it's more of any DAW. I used the Ableton live 8 lite that came with my Mustang III, as well as reason and record (demo) and I noticed that when configuring the audio, it shows the same utility window identical to the first picture in my first post. So it doesn't seem to really matter which DAW I use; I'll most likely get the same result. Just to mention, I am using Windows XP, which leads to my next question.

Now, I don't mean to start any Mac vs. PC debates here. Honestly I need a straight answer, but I did some researching to find that Macs have the capability to"aggregate" audio devices as a native feature yet Windows cannot. I have zero experience with Macs and I'm not the type of person to say that one operating system is "evil" and the other is the best. Asking someone with experience, are Macs the route to go considering my problem along with the overall opinion that Macs are better for audio processing and recording?

When I was searching, I was always lead to either a "dual" between the OS's or simply saying Macs (or PC's) are better because of the DAW's they offer exclusively. Again, that is not my problem (I am actually coincidentally interested in DAW's that are cross-platform).

Thanks in advance


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:49 am
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violoncellemuse wrote:
Well, it's not necessarily JUST fender fuse. Actually it's more of any DAW. I used the Ableton live 8 lite that came with my Mustang III, as well as reason and record (demo) and I noticed that when configuring the audio, it shows the same utility window identical to the first picture in my first post. So it doesn't seem to really matter which DAW I use; I'll most likely get the same result. Just to mention, I am using Windows XP, which leads to my next question.

Now, I don't mean to start any Mac vs. PC debates here. Honestly I need a straight answer, but I did some researching to find that Macs have the capability to"aggregate" audio devices as a native feature yet Windows cannot. I have zero experience with Macs and I'm not the type of person to say that one operating system is "evil" and the other is the best. Asking someone with experience, are Macs the route to go considering my problem along with the overall opinion that Macs are better for audio processing and recording?

When I was searching, I was always lead to either a "dual" between the OS's or simply saying Macs (or PC's) are better because of the DAW's they offer exclusively. Again, that is not my problem (I am actually coincidentally interested in DAW's that are cross-platform).

Thanks in advance


Uh-Oh, let the flames begin :)

Seriously though, the ASIO driver window that you're seeing in every DAW is always there because you're using the ASIO driver to let the DAW speak to whatever hardware interface(s) you're using, in this case, the Mustang. Macs use their own driver, Core Audio, which is built into the OS. This is most of the reason I use Macs for audio. There aren't many possibilities for driver conflicts.

In your case, it appears off the bat that the ASIO driver doesn't like your built in soundcard. There's a chance it may not work at all. I suggest enabling the Fast Track and disabling the Fast Track's inputs and assigning the M-Audio ASIO as the output interface.

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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:11 pm
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Yeah, I figured it was just a conflict with the internal sound driver.

I am able to record just fine trough the mustang's usb capability, yet the problem arises when I can't hear what I've previously recorded for multi-tracking capabilities. In my second post I mentioned using the m-audio fast track usb for output, but it was very choppy (in almost perfect on/off durations of about 1 second).

Also, the computer laptop I'm using now I will DEFINITELY NOT continue using for professional-level audio. I will purchase a desktop in the near future, and that's where my problem arises. And to what you, Loren, described, Macs will have less sound driver conflicts? Could you also explain what core audio is on a Macintosh? It appears to me that Macs have an overall appeal towards the arts.

IF I were to get a Mac Pro, I would like to dual boot with Windows 7 (since I still like Windows and just in case of compatibility issues). Any suggestions to the specs it should have if I want to get serious with audio recording? I would be doing some recording with a band I work with (4 people) as well as personal use with my own music.

I believe my problem can be fixed if I were to get a Mac due to the "aggregating" capability it has. Is there any thing like that for Windows? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a feeling since combining audio devices is a native feature on Mac OS X ( <---- correct me here) that it would be more reliable. (If possible on Windows to compare)

If this appears to not go with the forum section anymore, please feel free to move it to it's appropriate place. I might go asking around other forums, but I felt it was most relevant here since the fender mustang almost "requires" me to combine audio devices to fully take advantage of multi-tracking. Also wanting to know what people's setups are with the Mustang (1-5).

Thanks so much for the replies and your time. I like to hear your input so I can make the right decision. I very much appreciate it!


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:08 pm
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As you now see, WIndows apps that use ASIO can only access one ASIO driver at a time on a PC. And, using two audio devices at the same time on your particular computer results in resource conflicts.

The simplest work around is to not use the Mustang ASIO driver at all, but instead use just one device. You could run a cable from the Mustang's headphone output to the M-Audio FastTrack's #2 input and set it for "line" since that will give you a 10k ohm impedance unbalanced input. (Don't set it to "guitar" - the headphone out is way too hot for a 500k ohm input impedance!)

But there will be problems...

One problem is that the #2 input can take a balanced or unbalanced signal. A balanced signal uses a jack that looks like a 1/4" stereo plug - but it's not a stereo input - it's a mono input. If you send a stereo signal to it, the two unbalanced signals will cancel out waveforms that have the same phase and, if you hear anything at all, it will be less than satisfactory. So, you could only use one side of the headphone's stereo out to feed the FastTrack's input.

Another problem is that the Mustang's headphone out impedance is a bit "hot" for a line input so, you have to be careful not to overload the FastTrack's input or you'll get a very loud distorted signal. Luckily, the Mustang's headphone out level is controlled by the amps Master Volume - start out with it very low volume settings and you'll be OK.

Yet another problem is that, when you plug into the Mustang's headphone out, the amp's speaker is disconnected - so, you have to monitor through the speakers that monitor the FastTrack - probably not ideal on a laptop.

As far as setting up your home studio in the future, I suggest you read through TweakHeadz GUIDE to the Home and Project Studio. It has excellent advice on everything concerning the subject as well as covering the Mac vs. PC thing.

Hope this helps

dude


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Post subject: Re: Sound Driver Conflict
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:56 pm
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...or u take it easy and de-install ASIO restart PC --install ASIO4ALL...done :-)

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