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Post subject: Stand mount idea
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:06 am
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Hi guys.

I sent a letter to Loren Howard regarding my idea for a stand mount for the smaller Mustang amps. He hasn't responded yet but I wanted other MI/II users' take on it as well. Here's the pertinent part of the letter.

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I had an idea of putting a pole mount fitting on the bottom of the amp so that I could mount it on one of my speaker stands and got to thinking that both the MI and MII would definitely benefit from being placed closer to ear level. Yes, it does lower its overall low frequency output when moved off the floor but if it's being mic'ed, that's not an issue.
I'm vacillating as to whether or not to void my warranty and install that pole mount or just upgrade to the MII. I think I know which one you and Fender would prefer but that's not why I'm writing to you. I'm writing to you to highly recommend that you make future versions of the Mustang I and II pole mountable. It would make these amps even more practical for stage use.


Please let me know what you think of this idea. Thanks guys/gals.

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:06 am
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Hmmm...interesting. However, I think I'd probably just go with an amp stand, myself.


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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:51 pm
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We'll maybe it's because I have a spare speaker stand that makes me think this a good idea. Seriously though, on the larger more powerful amps like the MIII an amp stand would be plenty but the lower power MI and II definitely benefit from being closer to ear level.

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:01 pm
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You can always buy a pole-mount jack and install it yourself. Myself, I think my M II would look kinda dorky on a pole. JMO. I'm an amp stand kind of guy.

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:08 pm
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If you can't hear your amp on stage, buy a bigger amp or look at better monitoring solutions IMHO.


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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:37 pm
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gridley wrote:
If you can't hear your amp on stage, buy a bigger amp or look at better monitoring solutions IMHO.


Unless you use a 412 stack (no thanks), no matter how big your combo amp is most of the sound hits your knees long before your ears. Bigger is sometimes the answer but not always. That said, I sold my M1 ( I hope you're happy now, Fender :lol: )and ordered the M2. Still, I find guitar combos are way more efficient when they're up off the ground so that the sound gets to your ears not your knees. The M2 will be no exception. Maybe after a year has gone by, I'll just go ahead and put a pole mount under it. It won't hurt it.

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:15 am
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Unless you're miking up, ALL amps will sound a whole lot better for you & the audience if they are raised off the ground by at least 18" (more if you can - 3 ft is a good height) & slightly angled. On the floor, a chunk of your tone vanishes into the floorboards/carpet, giving less clarity and projection, and making your tone a little more muddy.

At gigging volumes its the mid frequencies that our ears 'like' - by raising the amp up you're helping to get more of those frequencies out to the audience. All amps are affected by Fletcher Munson, although solid-state amps are particularly susceptable. So, in addition to raising your amp up, you need to appreciate that patches which sound great at home can sound naff at a gig - and vice-a-versa. Gigging patches need far less effects, and you need to raise those mids.

Have a read here for more info about Fletcher Munson 'curves'. Originally aimed at Valvetronix users, much is still relevant for the Mustang & other amps:

http://www.valvetronix.net/forums/how-t ... -t192.html

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:05 am
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Thanks for the reiteration, Rockcat.
The other thing is that if you just got a bigger louder amp, yes you might hear yourself better. But if you're playing on a raised stage, the person in the audience who is directly in front of your amp will get slammed by its output. Not only will that person hear only your guitar and not much of the rest of the band, he'll likely suffer hearing damage too.

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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:20 pm
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Other threads here have debated the stand vs floor issue for amps, with mixed conclusions, as have similar and very lengthy discussions I've read at other forums.

I know that with my Mustang II amp on a stand I can HEAR it better, but I'm not sure that I necessarily LIKE what I hear as there is certainly, for me at least, a noticeable loss of oomph when the amp is decoupled from the floor. This may be more of an issue for small amps with small speakers that don't have a lot of bottom end to start with and can't afford to lose any.

If the amp is being close mic'd live then stand vs no stand shouldn't be an issue, since the mic is presumably picking up the speaker's output before it gets modified by its environment.


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Post subject: Re: Stand mount idea
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:43 am
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I always mic my amps so the low end loss is never an issue. I think the best compromise for larger more powerful amps is to tilt them back. Still, I think that a guitar with lots of thump and sounds cool when you're listening to it by itself doesn't sound as good as soon as the whole band starts playing. The low end from the bass, kick drum and the guitar's thump start to clump and muddy each other up. It's hard enough just trying to keep the definition between the kick drum and bass amp.

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