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Post subject: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:30 pm
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I used to be able to get a lovely Mesa Clean but now I can't get a clean tone out of it at all - very sad.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:43 pm
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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:15 pm
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When I play my p90's equipped guitars, I typically have to turn the volume on the guitar down to "3" or so as opposed to around "7" for one of my Tele's, Strat's or other single coil guitars. That's no big deal for me and quite expected behavior of the amp IMO.

Out of the 8 electric guitars I own, none have humbuckers - I don't care for them. So, I can't say how those would fit in the mix.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:26 pm
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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:09 pm
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It's not surprising that you can't get super clean from high output pickups. It's well known that the Mustang amps are sensitive to input signals, that's why using distortion pedals with them gives less than satisfactory results.

All pickup signals are not created equally and much depends on a pickup's impedance.

See this artical and this one for some detailed info.

Now, to work around pushing a Mustang amp's input too hard, you can do some un-buffering to even things out.

See the artical "AMZ Un-Buffer" on this page for a simple circuit.

These types of circuits will also enable one to take very hot signals coming from distortion pedals a tame/prep them for the Mustang's input. However, it will take some time, learning and experimentation.

Or you can just use lower output pickups when you want clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:28 pm
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Oops, I was wrong about not getting clean sounds with the 65 deluxe with my LP guitar. I reloaded the new firmware and it is working fine. I must have had a boost pedal on by mistake. Sorry, my bad. I'll edit the above posts...


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:39 am
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Err, I'm using a Telecaster with typical 5-7k wound single coils...


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:38 pm
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I gotta agree with Electric Mistress on this - the gain on both the 'American 90s' and 'Metal 2000' are totally too much. They DO NOT clean up significantly when you turn your guitar volume down.

Why you need all that gain when the gain is on 1? If people want gain, that's what 10 is for!


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:35 am
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I can understand Metal 2000 since it has $@!&#* cleans anyway, but the US90s gave you real proper Mesa cleans. What you could do maybe is roll the volume knob down and put a compressor after it... but that's kind of crappy.

I did notice before that the US90 didn't have a lot of gain for a Dual Rec, but I was actually kind of glad. You didn't need anymore than on offer, even with a single coil guitar really. There is always the OD pedal which is handy since you don't have to fiddle around with a real OD, so it's not as urgent that the models have as much gain on tap.

Of course, none of the distorted models can take pedals well thanks to them compressing weirdly :/


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:38 am
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Hi,
If it's for the Mustang III/VI/V amp - ( may be similar on other Mustangs ).
You can set the gains, 1 or 2 and amp type master controls ( not the Master on the Amp ),
if you simply push the Amp button twice, push the wheel to scroll to Gain or Gain 2 and Master within this area, for the amp type selected, and alter to your requirements.
Press Save twice to save the preset. That should give you more control.
Jim


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:06 pm
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High gain amps clean up fine.

1. Set guitar volume halfway.
2. Set Volume to 4.
3. Set Master Volume where you want it.
4. Strum it a few times.
5. Adjust gain and guitar volume to dial in the tone you're looking for.

Key points most people screw up is steps 1 and 2. You need to drop the volume levels down or everything will muddy up really bad.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:57 pm
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That's not going to work well with a humbucking guitar, which my other guitar is(but still fairly low output) unless you have some kind of bright cap installed. Dropping the volume of your guitar doesn't always work as well. Also, it's kind of $@!& because I use the volume knob for more natural tubey amps to go from clean/low gain to mid gain, just having it to get a clean tone is going to be awkward, and the volume knob fully up sound isn't going to be drastic enough to be worth it in this case, I'll still have to kick on an overdrive.

It's awkward. The gain should just go lower on it's own.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:44 am
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Why does everybody keep trying to use the Mustang like it's a valve amp ?
It does a fantastic job at digital simulations of the feel and response of the
gendre, but you've got to work at it, a little bit, to get your dream sound -
and maybe find a better one. Use the Advanced Amp tools in Fuse or the (M III)
Amp button second push options to tame or change the feel of the beast.
(Do a backup first -doh - and remember what you've altered).

Jim


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:43 am
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jimfdr wrote:
Why does everybody keep trying to use the Mustang like it's a valve amp ?
It does a fantastic job at digital simulations of the feel and response of the
gendre, but you've got to work at it, a little bit, to get your dream sound -
and maybe find a better one. Use the Advanced Amp tools in Fuse or the (M III)
Amp button second push options to tame or change the feel of the beast.
(Do a backup first -doh - and remember what you've altered).

Jim


I don't think it's wrong to complain when a feature present when I bought the amp is no longer there.

People use the Mustang like it's a valve amp because it's emulating valve amps and we live in a time when there are a lot of devices that are quite good at it.


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Post subject: Re: US90s too high gain on latest updates
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:22 pm
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Hi,
Don't get me wrong. I think you have a valid point, but finding a way around it,
while waiting for a Fender "fix" , makes sense to me. Then we'll all learn.

Jim

P.S. You can always re-install the previous version if it was better, overall, for you.


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