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Post subject: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:18 am
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can the pitch shifter do harmonies????


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:31 pm
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of course ..thats exactly what it is (two notes in harmony with themselves).. exact octaves like -3 and +3 .. or just ocatve up ...etc .. Theres even another effect that does -1 +1 but i ferget the name ...real fun to play with. Pitch Shifter = Octaver ..its almost like an Ocatve pedal.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:07 am
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but how do you get a 3rd or a 5th ?????????????????????????? jmb


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:46 pm
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I dont know ..whats ur definition of harmony .. post a mp3 sound or something .. It does up to 3 octaves (maybe just 2 but to my ears 3) .. one below and above the other note in harmony wit each-other ..thats a pitch shifter or ocatver effect .. ... not 4 or 5 ..our ears would have to be dogs ears to hear it i guess.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:11 pm
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Well . . .. I don't believe that the Mustang's will do true "harmoines". A Harmony is based on a Scale like A major or E minor etc.

An "octive" type effect simply plays a second note one or more steps up or down from the root note. You will quickly get "out of key" notes that way.

Playing strictly arppegeios, (notes based on the chord being played) will usually work but will limit the melodic structure you can use.

I may be wrong and there may be a way to choose a scale on this effect (I have not looked and am at work) but if an effect can't set a scale then it is not a "harmonic" type effect.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:08 pm
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Well .. I dunno ..but Octaver is in harmony with itself ....so is something like the Ring Modulator...guess there's different expressions ..but if its in harmony ..its harmony ;)

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:14 pm
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j michael bohn wrote:
can the pitch shifter do harmonies????


OK, I am not about to get into a when is an "octive pedal" a harmony pedal. The OP's question was "can the pitch shifter do harmonies?". The answer is "no".

Playing two notes at the same time is not "doing harmony". It's simply playing an interval. As soon as a melodic line is introduced within a Key scale the "any two notes" falls apart. The "intervals" MUST change to follow the song structure. i.e. Playing a fourth interval over a minor chord (which is based on thirds) will be VERY Jazzy! LOL.

The settings on the pitch shifter in FUSE has: Level, Pitch (by % which is lame!), Detune, Feedback, and PreDelay. So . . . . You can set ONE NOTE to be a percentage away + or - from the root note you are playing. Wes Montgomery made a living playing a second note a fourth step above the root note. BUT he only played within the scale notes of the key he was playing AND stayed away from playing fourths when minor and diminished chords were being played. This is called "interval playing" and not playing harmony.

An Octive pedal is just that: It plays a certain tone step from the root ALL THE TIME. In otherwords - a set interval.

A Harmony pedal - like a Digitech Harmonizer or a Voice Live for Guitar - set up either a chord progression or a musical Key (like the key of E, or Eminor) . Those use different notes (called scale intervals) to create the "harmony" of the musical piece you are playing within the structure of the chord progression or musical Key.


I'm not trying to come across as a "know-it-all". I'm simply answering the original question within the knowledge I have been given over the years.

A good book on Harmony Theory will cover all this better than I.



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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:06 pm
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j michael bohn wrote:
but how do you get a 3rd or a 5th ?????????????????????????? jmb



Maybe this will help a little on this question. As i mentioned above "the Pitch is set at a percentage - this is quite confusing and IMHO the wrong way to display this parameter.

When setting intervals between Pitches the real setting is in "cents". For now we can think of cents and "steps" or one fret for guitarists.

On THIS pedal the Pitch setting at Root (first note) is at 50%. Strangel enough, you reach an Octive up or 12 steps (frets) up at 74.6%. Likewise -25.4% is an Ocative down or 12 steps (frets) down.

The difference of 50 from 74.6 is 24.6

24.6 divided by 12 (12 steps or frets) is 2.05.

So each interval (step) (fret) is 2.05 up or down.

If you want to play a fourth interval up then 2.05 x 4 = 8.2

Simply add 8.2 to 50 and you get 58.2 as the percentage to set the interval of the second note for a fourth up. If you try this you will discover that it is VERY difficult to get this to exactlly 58.2%; but you can get close and that seems to be OK for this pedal.

Be sure to set the DETUNE to 50% for a true interval.

You can apply this same formula to any interval. For a Third interval down just take 2.05 times 3 and subtract the answer from 50%.

Have fun but remember you are playing set intervals and NOT harmony.

Blessings, Bo


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:33 pm
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lol ... I don't know what exact *kind* of effect he's trying to achieve ..but I never mentioned 'Octave' in any of my posts ... I simply say the Octaver which is a Pitch-Shifter makes Harmonies ... Say ur playing in E ..you can make it so the next note plays in Eb or something to harmonize together ..its simple ..but I think you(s) may mean ..a different effect... perhaps plays 3 or 4 notes in harmony all-together - but I don't know.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:10 pm
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aLinux wrote:
lol ... I don't know what exact *kind* of effect he's trying to achieve ..but I never mentioned 'Octave' in any of my posts ... I simply say the Octaver which is a Pitch-Shifter makes Harmonies ... Say ur playing in E ..you can make it so the next note plays in Eb or something to harmonize together ..its simple ..but I think you(s) may mean ..a different effect... perhaps plays 3 or 4 notes in harmony all-together - but I don't know.


Definition: An "Octive" is a twelve step interval between two notes.

Definition: An "Interval" is a distance of one or more steps between two notes. i.e. -3 or + 3.

Taken from your first post above:
"thats exactly what it is (two notes in harmony with themselves).. exact octaves like -3 and +3 .. or just ocatve up "

OK you win . . I dislike this - I answered "HIS" questions to the best of my knowledge.

You seem to have acquired your knowledge of "octaves" , harmonies, musical theory and pedal knowledge elsewhere.

From Georg Van Eps:Harmonic Mechanisms for Guitar Volume One:
" . . . .harmony must begin somewhere, it must go somewhere, and it must end somewhere: therefore, it is of utmost importance to know where the voices have been, where they are at the moment, where they are going logically, and where they can go by creative free choice and surprise."

Let us just leave it up to him what he wishes to use and what to discard.

Blessings, Bo


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:22 pm
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me have knowledge :lol: ... I just think the basics ..you have 2 ppl up on a stage ..one does the low E voice, next one does the high E voice .. .. (sounds better with 3 or 4 ppl) .. but, done together, they harmonize.. .. (i don't care about intervals, etc... ...its what a pitch shifter does... it harmonizes two or more notes together ..) to what degree is needed here ... I have no idea.

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[quote="aLinux"]me have knowledge :lol: ... I just think the basics ..you have 2 ppl up on a stage ..one does the low E voice, next one does the high E voice .. .. (sounds better with 3 or 4 ppl) .. but, done together, they harmonize.. .. (i don't care about intervals, etc... ...its what a pitch shifter does... it harmonizes two or more notes together ..) to what degree is needed here ... I have no idea.[/quote]
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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:48 pm
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Ooops .. I missed the third post ..(ur rite .. i'm wrong) .. he's looking for 3 or more notes in harmony .. sorry about that .. Pitch-Shifter just does two that I'm aware of ... sorry for the mix-up.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:59 am
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OK....................... can I get a Allman Brothers dual lead sound in unison???? jmb


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III...pitch shifter
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:51 am
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Yes, (try it) ..that's what it basically does ..it makes it sound like two guitars are playing at the same exact time or a slightly different interval... you can even change the pitch.

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