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Post subject: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:40 pm
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I was wondering whether there is a way to bypass all the digital effects and use the Mustang amp as a regular solid state analog one or whether it is only an emulator of other amplifiers.
If the first one is the case then perfect, i don't see any flaw on this device!! If it's the second though I have some second thoughts on buying it. I mean, isn't it better to buy a regular solid state amplifier and attach to it a modeling device like Line 6 POD or any other?? What happens if the digital processor of the Mustang thing goes wrong?? Then the whole amplifier goes wrong, whereas if you get the same result with two separate devices then even if you loose your effects you don't loose your sound?? And, anyhow, since it uses a solid state amplifier why not give you the choice to just use it without any effects?? It wouldn't cost anything.


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:20 pm
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If I understand your question correctly the answer is no.

The amp is not like a JC-77 or JC-100 which is just solid state amp.

The signal path will go through the DSP chip regardless, you can't turn off the AMP model.

You can turn off the speaker model and all the effects models though.

I haven't seen the schematics, but guessing the delays reverbs etc are in the DSP, I'm not sure about the tone and Vol (not master vol). Some may control opamp circuits and tone circuits, but not sure. I would expect any amplification to be done with hardware, but the tone filters could be HW or SW.

Remember cost is a driver and any additional HW components means more expense.


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:02 pm
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Seems like Fender weren't/aren't interested in adding the option to disable all modeling, but in the III and higher you have an effect loop. According to a forum moderator here there is no modeling after the FX return, so it should be possible to connect an external modeler there and get straight to the power amp. I wonder how that would sound.


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:04 am
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mpr wrote:
According to a forum moderator here there is no modeling after the FX return, so it should be possible to connect an external modeler there and get straight to the power amp. I wonder how that would sound.


Good point I forgot about the FX loop.

I use the FX send and run it to my looper. (different topic)


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:55 am
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mpr wrote:
According to a forum moderator here there is no modeling after the FX return, so it should be possible to connect an external modeler there and get straight to the power amp.

So if there is no modelling after the FX return to what sound is the FX applied?? Does the amp have a sound of its own that the pedal will take effect on or does it emulate the effect your pedal would have on the chosen modeled amp??


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:23 am
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What I understand is that most sound shaping happens before the FX send. That also includes the amp's own FX if you use them. So your loop effects run after most of everything in the signal chain. After the FX return I guess it's only the power amp/speaker/cab, which from what I understand are rather transparent, as far as these things go (but a guitar speaker/cab is, after all, what it is).

Given that, you should be able to skip most amp sound shaping if you run guitar -> external modeler -> FX return.

Mind you, this is information from reading around. I haven't tried it myself.


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Post subject: Re: Does the Fender Mustang IV have a sound of its own??
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:07 am
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That is true, MPR. The FX return is a straight path to the power amp and speaker.

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