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Post subject: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:36 pm
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I'm just venting here...

It makes me laugh how many people on youtube look at the Mustang amps and get mad because they are digital modeling amps.

Look at some of the comments saying: "These are just cheap modeling garbage." Or "These will never compete with my Twin Reverb!"

The comments are all from people who have never played them, but are just telling us that they are, for some weird reason, against them. Why do people feel the need to comment on the videos when they have zero knowledge of the actual quality or sound of the product?

Do they actually think that Fender is making the Mustang for Clapton or Kenny Wayne Shepherd to play? Do they think that Fender is trying to phase out of the Tube Amp market and only focus on the modeling technology? Do they think that the Mustangs are made to sound more tube-y than tube amps?

I really just don't understand the mentality of someone who goes online to bash a product that they have not tried. A friend of mine posted an online review of a Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster. (for those of you who don't know it yet, these guitars are really cool.) His video featured really solid playing and a great tone, but half of the comments were from people saying how much better their Fender American Made Strat was and how Squier's were garbage.

I know that I'm just ranting here, but for under $600, I bought a Mustang III and a Classic Vibe Strat, brand new. I am getting some amazing tones out of them. I can sound like some old school blues player with the '57 Champ models or play some great full bodied blues and classic rock through the Bassman or the American 80's amp, I can throw reverb and delay on anything that I want, control the eq and save any tone that I like. And the tones sound really cool. Sure, Kenny Wayne wouldn't play them on stage, but who cares, great sound, great features, great option and great price. I still haven't found a downside to this amp.

I guess it just cracks me up that these tone snobs feel threatened by a product that Fender has put out for people to enjoy music on.


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:46 pm
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I really don't care what other people think. I love my Mustang II and thats all that matters. There are always people who will berate things for whatever reason, it does get on your nerves sometimes though, constantly reading that crap. It their loss.


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:18 pm
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I love reading comments on Youtube .. its comical.. and you have to just take it all w/ a grain of salt. Most people don't even mean what they say... Its more of a "just wanna be heard / attention remarks" and it works :)

True ..Vibe/MIII combo for under $600 ..can't beat it. Which one did you get the 50's or 60's and what color ? My brother grabbed a good blue 50's ...I almost grabbed the 60's 3-tone SB ..but it was a lemon. First string - I couldn't even do vibrato w/o it slipping of the edge of neck ..felt terrible ..they should of at least set up the intonation ..and every time I go back to grab another one ..the same ones still hanging there and I never seen a white one in any store I been too..they seem to go like magic. All in all, there perfect strat guitars ...all vintage h/w but like any guitar ...you just gotta get a good one.

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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:28 pm
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aLinux wrote:
I love reading comments on Youtube .. its comical.. and you have to just take it all w/ a grain of salt. Most people don't even mean what they say... Its more of a "just wanna be heard / attention remarks" and it works :)

True ..Vibe/MIII combo for under $600 ..can't beat it. Which one did you get the 50's or 60's and what color ? My brother grabbed a good blue 50's ...I almost grabbed the 60's 3-tone SB ..but it was a lemon. First string - I couldn't even do vibrato w/o it slipping of the edge of neck ..felt terrible ..they should of at least set up the intonation ..and every time I go back to grab another one ..the same ones still hanging there and I never seen a white one in any store I been too..they seem to go like magic. All in all, there perfect strat guitars ...all vintage h/w but like any guitar ...you just gotta get a good one.


I picked up the 60's Strat in 3 tone, and it is AMAZING. The most playable guitar I have ever owned. I had to mess with the pick up height and strings and set up, but it is now my go to guitar. I also bought the Classic Vibe Custom Tele, in sunburst with the white edging. It is a gorgeous guitar and feels and plays amazing.

I love these guitars. Love them. I can't believe how great they are for the price. More sustain and more tone out of any strat and tele that I have ever played.


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:35 pm
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paztormike wrote:
I picked up the 60's Strat in 3 tone, and it is AMAZING. The most playable guitar I have ever owned. I had to mess with the pick up height and strings and set up, but it is now my go to guitar. I also bought the Classic Vibe Custom Tele, in sunburst with the white edging. It is a gorgeous guitar and feels and plays amazing.
I love these guitars. Love them. I can't believe how great they are for the price. More sustain and more tone out of any strat and tele that I have ever played.

Yes, many share your sentiments, maybe because this is a Fender forum it's worth mentioning .... SHOUTING OUT LOUD .... US LEFYS ARE WAITING~!~!


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:53 pm
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paztormike wrote:
Do they think that Fender is trying to phase out of the Tube Amp market and only focus on the modeling technology?
This posts hit on something I've been feeling for awhile...the days of the tube amp are probably numbered - and I think Fender knows that. It may not be next year or maybe not even 5 years, but it's definitely coming. I was a hopeless tube fanatic (Music Man, Marshall, THD, Fender, Dr Z, Mesa, custom HiWatt, etc.), but after getting a CyberDeluxe in 2005 (which I've posted about before), I almost never turn my tube amps on anymore - and I wouldn't even think about gigging with one...to much hassle. Why would you lug a 70lb combo *and* a 25lb pedalboard to a gig when you could just tote a 25lb combo amp and a midi controller - and have a pre-programmed preset for each song with just a click of a button? Is there a difference in tone? - probably some, but 99% of your audience won't know the difference. And with the advances in guitar amp modeling, I bet most veteran guitarists won't be able to tell the difference themselves in 2 or 3 years...

Playing a gig with presets is so liberating. Being able to call up a variety of amp tones and effects (or combinations of effects) without doing a big tap dance is just fantastic. After getting spoiled with a nice modeling amp, going back to a one-trick pony tube amp is just hell. I still occasionally fire up my '65 Blackface Champ or my Dr Z, but it's usually a short affair - they're just not versatile enough.

I've got a Mustang V head on order and it's stereo cab (a Marshall Bluesbreaker 2x12 knock-off) is waiting right here. I'm hoping this rig will retire my CyberDeluxe and I'll enter a new realm of tone-shaping nirvana. Let the tube-snob sling away, but the guitar world is changing quickly and I doubt there is little that can stop it...


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:13 pm
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paztormike wrote:
Do they think that Fender is trying to phase out of the Tube Amp market and only focus on the modeling technology?
This posts hit on something I've been feeling for awhile...the days of the tube amp are probably numbered - and I think Fender knows that. It may not be next year or maybe not even 5 years, but it's definitely coming. I was a hopeless tube fanatic (Music Man, Marshall, THD, Fender, Dr Z, Mesa, custom HiWatt, etc.), but after getting a CyberDeluxe in 2005 (which I've posted about before), I almost never turn my tube amps on anymore - and I wouldn't even think about gigging with one...to much hassle. Why would you lug a 70lb combo *and* a 25lb pedalboard to a gig when you could just tote a 25lb combo amp and a midi controller - and have a pre-programmed preset for each song with just a click of a button? Is there a difference in tone? - probably some, but 99% of your audience won't know the difference. And with the advances in guitar amp modeling, I bet most veteran guitarists won't be able to tell the difference themselves in 2 or 3 years...

Playing a gig with presets is so liberating. Being able to call up a variety of amp tones and effects (or combinations of effects) without doing a big tap dance is just fantastic. After getting spoiled with a nice modeling amp, going back to a one-trick pony tube amp is just hell. I still occasionally fire up my '65 Blackface Champ or my Dr Z, but it's usually a short affair - they're just not versatile enough.

I've got a Mustang V head on order and it's stereo cab (a Marshall Bluesbreaker 2x12 knock-off) is waiting right here. I'm hoping this rig will retire my CyberDeluxe and I'll enter a new realm of tone-shaping nirvana. Let the tube-snob sling away, but the guitar world is changing quickly and I doubt there is little that can stop it...


I hear what you're saying, but...tone snobs are always going to be spending thousands on great tube amps. People like you who really see the value in switching presets are definitely going to be more and more satisfied with better modeling amps. But there is going to be a market for they guys who want to get an amp and switch out the tubes, mod the tube amp, put in a new speaker, and drive their amp with niche-y boutique pedals. I just think that both markets will exist very well side by side.

Just like big bulky harley davidson bikes and little yamaha crotch rocket motorcycles. Those new technologically advanced bikes probably do so much more, are so much safer and more reliable, but Harley Davidson is always going to market big burly bikes and bike lovers are going to buy them.

20-30 years ago when Solid State amps started sounding decent and were much cheaper to produce than tube amps, people were probably thinking that Tube amps were going to die out. But both have markets that coexist right now. I really think that Fender will always have a great tube amp market.


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:50 pm
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Oh nice ..you grabbed the 60's Vibe I want :) and nice Tele Vibe .. both must sound amazing thru the MIII. The pickups are a tad hotter in the 60's ones as well ..so I bet you do get better sustain.

Fender Tube Amp vs Fender Modeling ... I'll take the modeling any day, but years ago I was a Tube head for playing clubs, now modeling fits my lifestyle completely. Its convenient to carry (weight wise, as well as mega-sounds all in one box) no wrestling w/ pedals and patch-cords, etc ...

Frigs for ages I tried getting Clapton's sound for Old Love, and the Mustang is the closest I've ever got - no Tube I used could even get minute.. close. Yeah I know Vibro King can ..but 100'million bucks later ................. lol :D

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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:11 am
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People will always try to justify their sometimes really expensive choices by putting down other branches of evolution.

I have some of each type, modeling, new solid state, old transistor, tube so I guess I am just really mixed up!

And I like them all too! They all work well and have their own place in the cosmos. :)

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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:44 am
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I think it comes down to the simple fact that some people are just stuck in their ways. If you grew up with and have been playing on tube amps for 25 years, there's a good chance that you're going to harbor some resentment towards the "new school". Especially if you've invested thousands of dollars to get the kind of sound that anyone with $500 can get today. Not to mention, the countless hours spent learning how to tweak EQ and effects. For $99 bucks you can get 24 Presets, pre-tweaked and ready to go.

Being a studio guy, I remember going back and forth with the purists who believed that a computer based plug in reverb/compressor/eq would never sound as good as the classic hardware units. Fast forward to today, about 90% of the music out there is mixed completely in the box with plug ins. Do the hardware units sounds better? Most of them do. The software plug ins will get you about 90% of the sound of the hardware units but at 10% of the price. In most cases, it's a great tradeoff.

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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:02 am
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Well said. Technology made Amps more fun today...and at the same time, the sounds keep improving. I don't see no reason to go-after *JUST* that 'old' boutique vintage like tone anymore...there's a complete new array of sounds in town.

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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:20 am
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I really feel that in order to get a great sound from a great tube amp, you need great components in your guitar and pedal board. But amps like the Mustang with their tweaking and editing ability can really give you some great tools to fatten up a skinny guitar, or vice versa.

I was playing the 65 Deluxe Reverb Setting last night and getting possibly the best tone that I have ever gotten, and it was using my Squier Classic Vibe. I don't think that I could have gotten that sound out of a Tube Version of that amp without some major help from pedals.
(My wife even came into the room and told me that my playing sounded "beautiful". The second time that she has commented on my sound since I bought the Mustang. I'm not sure that she was ever so complimentary of my playing through any other amp.)


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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:38 pm
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I really like the current amp modeling technology and the mustang is one of my favorites,i don't do live gigs anymore and i just do it as a hobby now,i used to have a 1972 marshall super lead 100 head and marshall 8x10 cab that i bought back in the 70's and i sold it about 12 years ago,i thought i was going to miss not having the marshall anymore but i really do not now because i get the tones i want out of my mustang and my other amp modeling amps and processors,as time goes by this technology is only going to get better,here is why the tube guys often trash amp modeling,some cannot accept change and cannot think outside of the box,many paid thousands for there tube amps and just refuse to believe that 200.00 modeling amp(for exsample) can sound any good and if and when they try one out they think it is a plug and play amp but do not realize that you have to dig in and tweak these amps to sound good,many amp modeling amps and processors have poor factory presets(although fender mustang factory presets are not too bad) and that can also be a big turn off to most tube guys,i seen many trash reviews myself against modeling amps but now i think it is starting to change because i see more and more positive reviews of modeling amps and many are choosing them over tube amps.


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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:34 pm
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First off let me state that I think that the Mustang series are great amps. I own a Mustang l and a lll. They are in my opinion the best modeling amps currently available, that is why I purchased them. With that said.......I have a collection of fine tube amps... Fender as well as Marshall, Egnater, Mesa, and Vox. There is still a significant difference in tonal quality between a solid state and a GOOD tube amp. Just because you may not be able to hear it does not mean it does not exist. There is a sonic warmth that the tubes produce and the solid state cannot (at this time) match. Maybe it is a case of snobbery with some people but I choose the tool that enables me to produce the best possible sound. At the current time tube amps are unmatched ...If that is the sound you desire! The Mustang series has closed the gap but the gap still exists. I can't stop playing with my Mustang lll. I love the ability to tweak the sound with the FUSE software. It is a great amp for the price. It just is not going to be able to replace any of my tube amps. As I stated earlier just because you may not hear a difference does not mean it does not exist. It does.


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Post subject: Re: It cracks Me Up.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:01 pm
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paztormike,

It's the same as the guys that say Squier isn't a 'real' Fender or the guys that say if you don't have a particular kind of wood in your guitar, you're tone is crap. Or the non plywood snobs conveniently forgetting that a lot of top notch Gibson guitars are, yep, plywood. Of course, they call it laminate so it sounds better than plywood. It goes on and on with pots and switches and wire and any number of things.

Bottom line, if it pleases you that's what counts.

Especially if, as one poster said, you can't hear the difference. Maybe it's more a state of mind?


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