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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:36 pm
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Thanks guys for your input.

To correct my above post, it is the 1.6.4 Beta that I was referring to. Not the 1.6.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:06 pm
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Also Gary,

Those are great points that you made. I am really glad for you that you are not having the issue anymore. Actually a little jealous too.

As far as different pickups, I have tried several of my guitars. Across the board with single coils, buckers, low-output, very hot high-output pups. For me there is no difference.

It is very strange to me also that some have complete correction after Beta upgrade and others like me have no improvement. At some point for time invested sake, I am going to have to cut bait and get back to work. Though I will keep my ear open for any solid, surefire fix to the product. Again the potential is almost revolutionary compared to the competition to my ears.

I am ready, willing, and waiting to embrace the Mustang Amps when the product is for sure fixed. But as it stands now the tail end fizz is a huge issue for me. Not a subtle little flaw that only rabid tonechasers and Eric Johnson can hear. But the truth is, it is so glaring on both the amps I have purchased that what I was hoping was a revolutionary amp with the ability to inspire creativity and expression has only inspired me to hit the off button and move on. Wish it wasn't so.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:59 pm
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Check and make sure your firmware updates are in fact showing the correct version... I was updating mine for weeks after downloading new firmwares when they showed up on this forum, only I thought I was updating to the latest firmware everytime, but in fact was updating to my oldest firmware by accident. I wondered why it always said Firmware 1.4 when it should of been showing 1.5.x - 1.6.x ... I think I was always picking the option under Utilities (update firmware) when i should of did something else .. I forget the correct way of doing now, since i like the fuzz, i wont be updating this time :o)

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:36 pm
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Good point aLinux . . . as I recall . . .. .

You must first UNINSTALL the old version . . . .. . Then INSTALL the NEW Beta version.

It is NOT a patch but a whole new Version. Did not catch that at first but once I did an Uninstall and then a fresh Install, the new Beta Version showed up.

This may be the issue with others??

Bo


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:12 pm
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How do you uninstall a firmware version????

Gary Baker wrote:
Good point aLinux . . . as I recall . . .. .

You must first UNINSTALL the old version . . . .. . Then INSTALL the NEW Beta version.

It is NOT a patch but a whole new Version. Did not catch that at first but once I did an Uninstall and then a fresh Install, the new Beta Version showed up.

This may be the issue with others??

Bo


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:45 pm
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Yes this is the type of information I was hoping to find.

So you guys are saying that when you update the BETA firmware, it does not automatically overwrite the old. How do you uninstall the firmware (1.5 was on mine when I purchased it)? There is a seperate step that uninstalls that? If so that makes more sense than anything else so far.

Please explain "uninstall".

Thanks so much for your input and help!


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How do you uninstall a firmware version????

Gary Baker wrote:
Good point aLinux . . . as I recall . . .. .

You must first UNINSTALL the old version . . . .. . Then INSTALL the NEW Beta version.

It is NOT a patch but a whole new Version. Did not catch that at first but once I did an Uninstall and then a fresh Install, the new Beta Version showed up.

This may be the issue with others??

Bo


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:49 pm
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Just went through the update once again to see if I was missing the uninstall step. I did not see that prompt anywhere.

One interesting thing I did notice this time was this....... The file for the 1.6.4 Beta reads exactly that for the file name on the computer screen (1.6.4) but....... after the install is complete and I scroll through the utility menu on the amp to make sure the screen labeled About This Amp shows the correct firmware, it reads this....... Version 1.6 not Version 1.6.4

Should it read .....Version 1.6.4?


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:39 am
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Ups . . . . my mistake . . . I got this confused with the FUSE Software update. No there is no "uninstall" for the FIRMWARE. That is an "over-write" operation.

My appoligizes for causing this confusion.

The Last screen of the UTILITIES Menu on my V head says Version 1.6

So I guess the firmware is not programmed for more than a three character version number (One-dot-Six). I have no doubt that it is the Beta Version as My issues went away and I seem to hear a slight inprovement in the fidelity of the Clean amps.

Really sorry for leading a few down a bad path . . .. I'll go to the chauk board and write "I will think before I type" one hundred times! :?

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DecreedOne wrote:
Yes this is the type of information I was hoping to find.

So you guys are saying that when you update the BETA firmware, it does not automatically overwrite the old. How do you uninstall the firmware (1.5 was on mine when I purchased it)? There is a seperate step that uninstalls that? If so that makes more sense than anything else so far.

Please explain "uninstall".

Thanks so much for your input and help!


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How do you uninstall a firmware version????

Gary Baker wrote:
Good point aLinux . . . as I recall . . .. .

You must first UNINSTALL the old version . . . .. . Then INSTALL the NEW Beta version.

It is NOT a patch but a whole new Version. Did not catch that at first but once I did an Uninstall and then a fresh Install, the new Beta Version showed up.

This may be the issue with others??

Bo


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:36 am
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Gary Baker is correct. The firmware version only shows 2 digits not 3 when the version number is viewed in Fuse. This was addressed in an earlier thread by Fender.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:09 am
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No need to apologize Gary, I really appreciate your help. And all of the other folks helpful posts. This is an exceptional forum for addressing solutions because of you guys and gals.

Thanks for helping address all the questions I have been asking.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:04 am
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Using the 57 Deluxe I don't hear the tail in distortion anymore, the note fades out until the inherent noise from the pickup takes over. CV50's Tele. Did the update as just as the manual says.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:21 am
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Hey Guys,

I see that a few of you haven't noticed an improvement with the beta firmware. From your comments it sounds like it may not be installing properly. If you can, shoot us an email or call us directly and we can verify that there's nothing strange going on.

Also, it's not possible to uninstall any previous version of firmware. The new version just overwrites the previously installed version.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:52 am
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My apology as well, I think you MUST choose UTILITIES (Update Firmware) option 'search' for the latest Firmware update File.. and NOT choose (Bundled xxxx), which I was always choosing previously.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:29 am
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Hi,
This may help to solve Decreed1's problems.

(Don't try this at home ! :D Ha) :-

* To get a fresh clean start *

With the amp connected to the computer :-
1. Open Fuse and make 2 Backups (careful) of your Presets.
2 Close Fuse, and Switch amp off/on.
3. ** Perform Factory Restore on amp ** (Page 7 in Advanced Owners Manual).
4. Check the version in Utils on amp. (Should be as it shipped from factory).
5. Open Fuse and switch amp on.
6. Restore a copy of your backed up presets.
7. Check that they're in there and check them out ...
8. Update Firmware to next available version - i.e. if 1.3 to 1.5, and test.
9. If you have version 1.5 then Download version 1.6.4 Beta file to your computer.
10. Maybe, Backup your presets again ? Yeah ! .
11. Update Firmware to Version 1.6.4 Beta using other Search file option. (Not Bundled !)
12. Turn amp off/on, say a prayer - then check out presets.

Don't use Gain above 3.5 if you want clean amp sounds !
(Anyone remember a Gain knob on early valve amps ?).
Use more Volume/Master if required.

Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:48 am
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PITA wrote:
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I'm not saying that those who can not seem to get rid of this issue are wrong - just that it seems for some it works and for others it does not - very odd . . . and I can not think of a reason other than an impedence miss match at the guitar input - very odd.

Bo


Sadly, I am in the camp of those who did not see an improvement in the crackling/gargling that kicks in as a note decays. I have to say that I was pretty disappointed, especially since most others were reporting such good improvement.

Anyway, I had noticed in my case, the noisy decay was worse on my HSS Strat knockoff with the single coils than with the bridge humbucker; also, I read a couple of comments (I think on TGP where I've been lurking) that it might be due to pickup hum--which agrees with my observation about the different pickups (my humbucker is inherently much quieter).

So, I started experimenting with turning off noise gates, and what seems to be happening in my case is that with noise gates off, the hum is always present, and the note's decay is pretty much normal. On the other hand, with the gate on, the hum seems to somehow get processed as part of the signal--as the strummed/plucked note's volume dies, the hum takes over as the constant "signal" and a crackling/gargling/whatever dominates the sound until the string is muted (or I suppose the overall amplitude falls below the noise gate threshold?) and silence is heard again.

I started recording all this in Audacity and I want to go interleave the tracks then go back and listen closely to make sure this is really what I'm hearing (it's been a busy week, so I wasn't able to get it done just yet), but for those struggling with it, try switching the noise gate off and see if it changes the behavior any.

Now I have to find a way to get rid of the hum.

PITA


You may be on to something, PITA. The noise gate could be causing an issue here.

Decreed One and Gridley - Are you guys using single coil pickups? If so, the noise gate could definitely be making the hum part of the signal. Try turning the noise gate off temporarily.

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