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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:34 pm
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Sounds good Loren .... So hows it sound with the new firmware gentleman? .... lose any sparkle or sound ALLOT nicer ? :?:

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:40 pm
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Proud Owner of a New M3 but still having that digital, fuzzy sound on all the clean amps (eg. Twin, Deluxe's and Princeton), basically all the Fender patches normally used for that shimmery, legendary Fender Snap. It is a digital, fuzzy, distorted hum in the decay of notes just like everyone else has described.

Ok, the new 1.6 update loaded up like a charm. Scrolled through the utilities to make sure it was there. Window reads firmware 1.6

Q1 Is that the right one you guys above used to get rid of the tail end fuzzys? Is it really all the way gone?

I am a working musician that needs toget this fixed quick.

Gigs coming quick......... Please help a brother out, thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:04 pm
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Thanks Loren and all responsible at Fender for releasing this update. Checked before and after and all I can say, no more tail end distortion. I'm thrilled! Good to see such a good and fast support.
Maybe off topic, but is it at all possible that updated or new pedal emulations could be in future firmwares?
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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:51 pm
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itsjazzman,

Why on yours and not on mine? Did I miss a step, or use wrong update? Talk me through the steps maybe? I know I loaded it correctly.

The tail end distortion is now a bit louder, kind of a digital rumbling.

I NEED some help have show right on top of me and have several well paying recording sessions booked this weekend!

Thanks


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:58 pm
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DecreedOne,

You may want to run the update once more. It sounds like there's some "strangeness" going on there.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:07 pm
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Thank you Loren,

Will do that right now. Thanks again for being so quick!


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:23 am
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DecreedOne wrote:
itsjazzman,

Why on yours and not on mine? Did I miss a step, or use wrong update? Talk me through the steps maybe? I know I loaded it correctly.

The tail end distortion is now a bit louder, kind of a digital rumbling.

I NEED some help have show right on top of me and have several well paying recording sessions booked this weekend!

Thanks

I tested the firmware on my Mustang IV. No problems anymore. Not sure what model you have. As Loren mentioned, rerun the firmware update and make sure you select the v1.6.4 firmware (for models III - V) or the appropriate one for models I-II,


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:48 am
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aLinux wrote:
Sounds good Loren .... So hows it sound with the new firmware gentleman? .... lose any sparkle or sound ALLOT nicer ? :?:

oh, it is ALLOT nicer. No more fuzz. Twin was major problem before but now is really clean. Just like twin is supposed to be :)
Before the update I used mostly 57 deluxe and bassman because the fuzz was least noticable. Now I have to explore all the settings. again. :)


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:31 am
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I guess my IV is going back. After four gigs, I can't get it to stop fizzing and farting all over itself. It's quite embarrassing being around other pros with real amps. Even the sound guys gave me a thumbs down. I'm not sure if the beta software didn't actually make it worse. Have you guys ever played one of these thing with the master set above 5? Sounds like a Foldgers Coffee can full of bees.

I REALLY wanted this to work. All I can say is, nice try. I'm so dissapointed right now, I'm dusting off my old rig ('93 Blues Deville) for tonight's show.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:01 am
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sorry to hear that, gridley. It really shouldn't fizz, especially after firmware update. Maybe you got bad one (it can happen given the price and the fact they are made and assembled in PRC. Maybe it's just a loose screw on speaker...I've read somewhere on this forum that someone had similar problems but it turned out that the speaker screws were not tighten properly. I'm using mine MI only at home and I never go past 3.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:34 pm
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I have to say I am with Gridley on this. I really want this to work too but I have installed the updated firmware correctly several times now. I also went back and reloaded the bundled update 1.5 just to see what would happen. Same deal. On what should be the cleanest amp models it is glaringly obvious. Fizzy, distorted tones surrounding the decay of the signal.

What makes it so disapointing to me is that the basic tone, high quality effects, pick response, and feel of the amp is so flat out, unbelieveably good. But, the off the charts potential of this amp is rendered useless for pro gigs and paid session work that call for a simple clean guitar tone/signal.

I have the Mustang 3. It is my second one. I do not think it is an isolated problem with "my amp". I returned the first one because of identical issue. The first one was also a floor model so I gave it the benefit of doubt. I went the extra mile to get another one because I wanted to be sure I was not missing out on the incredible potential of this product due to an isolated incident/problem.

No, it is not caused by loose speaker screws or a speaker that is not broken in yet.

Yes, I know this is not a plug-n-play amp. I have spent extensive, intensive hours trying to get this amp up to Pro-level performance.

And yes, I know for the price it is beyond incredible for what it does do.

What it has not done for me so far is project a clear, clean signal when modeling a clear, clean amplifier selection.

I want to emphasize that I am not angry or trying to berate the amp. Dissapointed yes! Just seeking clarity while dealing in the facts of conflicting reports and honestly stating my personal findings. I desperately, really want this to work. To have a tool that is this versatile, at this price, would be a huge asset when figuring cost of goods versus what little revenue the average working musician creates. Slam dunk financially speaking.

The facts are, that in spite of what several forum members, and Fender, have found and reported. The 1.6 firmware update has not solved the tail end distortion issue for me. Two amps, several attempts installing the updates. Twice failed.

I do understand that I am not going to replace a $ 1,200.00 amp with a $ 299.99 modeling amp. However, I do not understand why I simply can not get a clean, musical signal out of a brand new amp. Twice.

I am still fully open if anyone has any sugestions that may solve this. If not its goin' back in a couple of days.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:27 am
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The latest version for the III is 1.6.4 beta. It fixed the fizz on my III. the 1.6 will not.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:24 am
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Version 1.6.4 (the latest version for lll lV and V has worked for me - totally.


I have used single coil, P90 and HB pick ups and they all sound great with no fizz/grind.

I am using a PRS guitar and a custom 2/12 cab with two EV 12m-L speakers. If you know these speakers you know that ANY artifacts will show up through these - good or bad!

I'm not saying that those who can not seem to get rid of this issue are wrong - just that it seems for some it works and for others it does not - very odd . . . and I can not think of a reason other than an impedence miss match at the guitar input - very odd.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:10 am
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Gary Baker wrote:
I'm not saying that those who can not seem to get rid of this issue are wrong - just that it seems for some it works and for others it does not - very odd . . . and I can not think of a reason other than an impedence miss match at the guitar input - very odd.

Bo


Sadly, I am in the camp of those who did not see an improvement in the crackling/gargling that kicks in as a note decays. I have to say that I was pretty disappointed, especially since most others were reporting such good improvement.

Anyway, I had noticed in my case, the noisy decay was worse on my HSS Strat knockoff with the single coils than with the bridge humbucker; also, I read a couple of comments (I think on TGP where I've been lurking) that it might be due to pickup hum--which agrees with my observation about the different pickups (my humbucker is inherently much quieter).

So, I started experimenting with turning off noise gates, and what seems to be happening in my case is that with noise gates off, the hum is always present, and the note's decay is pretty much normal. On the other hand, with the gate on, the hum seems to somehow get processed as part of the signal--as the strummed/plucked note's volume dies, the hum takes over as the constant "signal" and a crackling/gargling/whatever dominates the sound until the string is muted (or I suppose the overall amplitude falls below the noise gate threshold?) and silence is heard again.

I started recording all this in Audacity and I want to go interleave the tracks then go back and listen closely to make sure this is really what I'm hearing (it's been a busy week, so I wasn't able to get it done just yet), but for those struggling with it, try switching the noise gate off and see if it changes the behavior any.

Now I have to find a way to get rid of the hum.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:35 am
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Hummm . .. . . here is another WAG (wild axx guess!).

Try increasing or decreasing the heigth of the pickups. Too High and you can get magnetic feedback - too low and you get a too weak magnetic field. Each guitar/PU combination has a "best" setting. Just a thought . .. I may try it on one or two of my guitars to see if I can get it to come back . . . . . why???? LOL

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