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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:42 pm
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jimfdr wrote:
Hi Harmony,

I couldn't have put it better myself. You tried your best. !
Over to you Fender to control what's goin' down out there.
GC appear to be moving the problems around. They're big enough
to know and to demand better. Fender had better ensure that their
dealers are stocking only the latest versions, and also ensure that
any suspect units are updated and tested, or returned for attention.
It can't go on happening like this - and it wont ! - unless someone in
Fender, as we say in Ireland, " get's the finger out ".
What a great modelling amp - what a pity this is happening to it ! .
Fender, USA, please copy and take notice - or your going to have a
herd of lame Mustangs coming back home, if not already !.


Good luck, Bob, keep in touch.

Jim


These last few posts have me curious...
I bought my MIII in Mid-late March from GC in Indianapolis. They didn't have one in stock so they arranged to have one shipped to my home from the Cincinnatti, OH store.
When it arrived, it had firmware 1.3 installed. I thought that a brand new one should have a more recent firmware, but I quickly updated to the latest version, which was easy enough. It seems to play OK, but I have never had a real quality amp to compare it to. Should it be sounding even better than it seems to me at the moment?

Would someone please describe more fully what you mean by "tail-end" distortion and "fizz." I have been playing since 1975 but have not encountered these terms in the circles in which I run.....

I want to make sure that I am not accepting a compromised sound out of ignorance just because it is so much better than what I HAD been using!
Thanks...

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 3:29 pm
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Hi Pastor Ken,

I don't think you have the problem. Just read back thru' the early
posts in this Thread and you'll get the picture. Your GC amp with
v1.3 fits the pattern of old version stock discussed earlier, but yours
appears to have been Ok and responded to the V1.6 update which
Fender tested and released in early April this year. Most amps appear to
have responded to the v1.6, as their sound problems, like mine, were minor,
and irrelevant in normal playing. But others, when recording maybe, seem to
have had fizzy sounds at even low volume. It appears to me that some
earlier problem amps, which may have been replaced, are turning up again.
Fender should be addressing this situation.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 2:29 am
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The only problem I've had thus far with a Mustang V head thru a laptop, USB interface, USB speakers in standalone mode, and sony wireless headphones is pre-set #73; the chorus was in the post-gain section and made nasty tail-end distortion when I added over-drive. I put the chorus into the pre-gain section and the noise disappeared!

Hands down, the Mustang V head is the best modeler I've tried thus far and I've tried the entire Digitech line, most of the Zoom line, GTR3, and tube amps with pedals. If there's obnoxious tail end distortion, it could be anything from cheap speaker or instrument cables, to radio interference if you're wireless, computers with cheap power supplies and, or cheap sound cards, crappy electronics on your guitar, crappy electronics where you play, if your action is too low, some fret noise and string rattle gets turned into distortion by the computer cuz it's not tone!

Of course, I may just be lucky and some of you got bad amps. However, I doubt it. Outside of software updates and occasional bad hardware, it's mostly an environmental factor, not the amp or software.

Anyways, I'm happy. Can't wait to hear a floor pedal on this thing hooked up to a V cab! 8)


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:49 am
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Would be interesting to know the root cause for this problem and whether it is fixed in newer hardware revisions or batches. This thread seems to lump together a bunch of unrelated problems, or so it seems; firmware issue, hardware issue, loose speaker, loose handle. (Or was some of it in other threads?) It could also be about the specific gear people use together with the amp.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:20 pm
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mpr wrote:
This thread seems to lump together a bunch of unrelated problems, or so it seems; firmware issue, hardware issue, loose speaker, loose handle. (Or was some of it in other threads?) It could also be about the specific gear people use together with the amp.


It is the specific gear people use together with the amp! That's why it seems to be a bunch of unrelated problems. One person has cheap speaker cables, the other, bad guitar electronics, the next, low action, fret noise, the next...everything, bad speaker cables, bad guitar electronics, low action noise, blah, blah, blah.

You can't skimp on quality to get computerized modeling working. Everything's got to be right or one little tiny noise spot will spoil the entire signal chain!

I remember pulling my hair out over all this when I first started using modelers many, many years ago. Here's what you'll need to make the Mustang work correctly: A high quality power conditioner, high quality signal cables, high quality power supplies (wall warts), properly grounded guitar electronics, the highest action you can tolerate for less fret noise, and a high quality power supply in your computer.

If there's any noise anywhere along the signal chain in a modeling environment, you'll end up with unwanted noise somewhere in the output.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:00 pm
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Fused wrote:
mpr wrote:
This thread seems to lump together a bunch of unrelated problems, or so it seems; firmware issue, hardware issue, loose speaker, loose handle. (Or was some of it in other threads?) It could also be about the specific gear people use together with the amp.


It is the specific gear people use together with the amp! That's why it seems to be a bunch of unrelated problems. One person has cheap speaker cables, the other, bad guitar electronics, the next, low action, fret noise, the next...everything, bad speaker cables, bad guitar electronics, low action noise, blah, blah, blah.

You can't skimp on quality to get computerized modeling working. Everything's got to be right or one little tiny noise spot will spoil the entire signal chain!

I remember pulling my hair out over all this when I first started using modelers many, many years ago. Here's what you'll need to make the Mustang work correctly: A high quality power conditioner, high quality signal cables, high quality power supplies (wall warts), properly grounded guitar electronics, the highest action you can tolerate for less fret noise, and a high quality power supply in your computer.

If there's any noise anywhere along the signal chain in a modeling environment, you'll end up with unwanted noise somewhere in the output.


Great Post...!! and so true...:)


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:03 am
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Fused wrote:
mpr wrote:
This thread seems to lump together a bunch of unrelated problems, or so it seems; firmware issue, hardware issue, loose speaker, loose handle. (Or was some of it in other threads?) It could also be about the specific gear people use together with the amp.


It is the specific gear people use together with the amp! That's why it seems to be a bunch of unrelated problems. One person has cheap speaker cables, the other, bad guitar electronics, the next, low action, fret noise, the next...everything, bad speaker cables, bad guitar electronics, low action noise, blah, blah, blah.

You can't skimp on quality to get computerized modeling working. Everything's got to be right or one little tiny noise spot will spoil the entire signal chain!

I remember pulling my hair out over all this when I first started using modelers many, many years ago. Here's what you'll need to make the Mustang work correctly: A high quality power conditioner, high quality signal cables, high quality power supplies (wall warts), properly grounded guitar electronics, the highest action you can tolerate for less fret noise, and a high quality power supply in your computer.

If there's any noise anywhere along the signal chain in a modeling environment, you'll end up with unwanted noise somewhere in the output.



I'm going to have to call bs on this quote. :D
I am using EXACTLY the same set-up I used with the original MIII I had and there is NO latent noise exhibited in the new amp I got in replacement.
It wasn't a loose speaker, bad speaker cable, low action, blah, blah, blah...
I tried different outlets, different cables, several different guitars with both humbuckers and single coils and the noise was there with all of them. Gain at one, noise was there. The new amp I can use the gain wherever I want and have NO extraneous noise.
The noise was not there on the new amp before I updated firmware, and is not there after I updated to 1.6.4
I am now also playing my pedalboard through the amp and even with an MXR OD there is no additional noise other than what could be considered normal.
My original amp was defective, period. I think it was the power section, quite frankly.
There was no extra noise generated when using headphones.
I am thinking about running a UPS to it, seeing as how we are coming into the thunderstorm season here in Florida. They are cheap insurance and actually do a good job of power conditioning, too. But power conditioning had zero to do with my original issue.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:34 am
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Driver3 wrote:

I'm going to have to call bs on this quote. :D


Yes, it's mucho BS indeed. I don't think anything that was listed had to do with modeling amps in particular. I've got both tube and modeling amps.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:32 pm
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I should add that I am really enjoying my MIII now that I have a good one. If you add up what it would cost to procure the amps represented as models, the MIII is a helluva bargain. No, it isn't a tube amp but for 300 bucks, there is nothing close to this on the market. I owned a Line6 something or other 30 watter just to practice through...that got CL'ed a long time ago. Way too processed sounding.
My other amps are 1966 Fender Bassman head I have owned since 1970...paid 60 bucks for it! And a 1988 Mesa Boogie 50 Caliber I have owned since new. Been rock solid but doesn't make Fender cleans.
I couldn't even outfit a decent speaker cabinet for the Bassman for 300 bucks!


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:31 pm
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Driver3 wrote:
I'm going to have to call bs on this quote. :D

My post is the stone-cold truth!

Driver3, are you a tube amp owner? Do you work for another company that sells amp modelers?

You sound desperate to put-down the Mustang amps.

Folks, igonre Driver3. He's either a tube amp owner who is desperately trying to maintain the value of his antiquated and over-priced tube amps, or he works for a company that has junk modelers, or he's just thoroughly ignorant about how to get a guitar to work with a modeler.

On top of all that, he's plumb rude! I spoke the stone cold truth and how does he reply to a polite stranger??? He calls the polite stranger who is telling the truth a bs'er and then he rambles on about nothing that has anything to do with diagnosing a signal chain.

Folks, the Mustang V head I got works perfectly, as described, better than I expected! Just keep in mind that you need a good quality power conditioner, cords, computer, and your guitar has to be setup properly for it to sound right!

Fender, I gotta give you a lot of credit for being so patient with rude people! And, thanks again for the incredible amp!!! I am thoroughly pleased!!!


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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:51 pm
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Fused wrote:
Driver3 wrote:
I'm going to have to call bs on this quote. :D

My post is the stone-cold truth!

Driver3, are you a tube amp owner? Do you work for another company that sells amp modelers?

You sound desperate to put-down the Mustang amps.

Folks, igonre Driver3. He's either a tube amp owner who is desperately trying to maintain the value of his antiquated and over-priced tube amps, or he works for a company that has junk modelers, or he's just thoroughly ignorant about how to get a guitar to work with a modeler.

On top of all that, he's plumb rude! I spoke the stone cold truth and how does he reply to a polite stranger??? He calls the polite stranger who is telling the truth a bs'er and then he rambles on about nothing that has anything to do with diagnosing a signal chain.

Folks, the Mustang V head I got works perfectly, as described, better than I expected! Just keep in mind that you need a good quality power conditioner, cords, computer, and your guitar has to be setup properly for it to sound right!

Fender, I gotta give you a lot of credit for being so patient with rude people! And, thanks again for the incredible amp!!! I am thoroughly pleased!!!


Let's get this straight right now...You started the rude rhetoric claiming everyone with problems has no clue how to make a signal chain play.
I also stated I like my MIII fine now that I replaced the defective unit I had.
You read i called BS and stopped reading...
You are the one coming off like a fanboy.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:01 pm
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Driver3 wrote:
Let's get this straight right now...You started the rude rhetoric claiming everyone with problems has no clue how to make a signal chain play.
I also stated I like my MIII fine now that I replaced the defective unit I had.
You read i called BS and stopped reading...
You are the one coming off like a fanboy.

You're spending way too much time complaining to sound legitimate!

Again, are you an unhappy tube amp owner who has lost a bundle after the Mustang came out, or are you a shill from another modeling company, or are you plumb ignorant about diagnosing a signal chain?

It's a given that you are flat-out rude!


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:07 am
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Whaohhhhh ! there, fellas.

We're all in agreement how much we like the Mustang !
Some, even so much, that they persevered, returned it,
and got success.
Why should it be a lottery if you get a good one or not ?.
There are some rogue units still moving around the dealers,
so someone else is going to get one, and then we'll hear the
story all over again !. I'll say it again -

" Fender USA - get these few bad amps out of circulation -
Check with your dealers and take action " !

" Dealers - check your Mustangs Firmware Version, test it and if bad,
either, Update and test again or return it to your Fender/Distributor
for replacement." They should all have competent staff to do this ?.

Until then, guys - if you get a bad one, use the system - BRING IT BACK !

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:29 am
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I guess I missed the section that details evaluating the 60Hz power in your house?
Maybe Fender should supply a UPS/Conditioner with the amp if that is the only way to get a true clean sound out of it?
I respectfully disregard your recommendation.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:42 pm
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The quality of electricity can be a serious problem, especially in the US. DSP (digital signal processing) amps are particularly susceptible to picking up noise from the mains supply.

Using a line conditioner such as a 'Furman' unit will keep your current & voltage steady, and it will 'clean' your electricity to get rid of unwanted noise - this means that your amp will sound consistently good and be noise-free wherever you play. If you are in an area where the quality of mains electricity is a problem, or if you gig and can't rely on the electricity quality from one gig to the next, you need a line-conditioner!

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