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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:20 am
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@Rockcat

I'll take your word for it that the distortion is due to aliasing ... but I'll also point out that Fender hasn't said on this forum what they think the cause of the problem is. Perhaps as you've said, it's also an artifact of the components used ... I wouldn't doubt that's a factor ... but I'll also point out that the most recent issue of the firmware by Fender did reduce the distortion ... at least it did on my MII and evidently those of other users. So it seems to me ... that the cause of the distortion is not just due to component quality nor just due to the firmware.

I agree ... users should have reasonable expectations. However ... Fender themselves has defined what those expectations are. Listen to the sound clips on Fenders page for the Mustang ... 48 clips ... all made with a Mustang II ... recorded direct, no EQ and with a GT57 mic. Of those 48 clips I'd say 31 are of clean tones ... clips 5, 6, 14 to 16, 21, 22 and 25 to 48. None of those clips exhibit the distortion encountered by users participating in this thread. Fender customers check out the site and find 31 clips of clean tones with no fizzy distortion ... and they have a legitimate expectation that the Mustang they buy performs as advertised by Fender.

If the Fender provided clips did not have the distortion ... then why do users? IMO there are not any Fender friendly answers. Did Fender doctor the clips to remove it? Did Fender quality control fall flat on it's face? Did Fender rush out the Mustang for the 2010 Christmas season before all problems were ironed out? Did Fender get a bad batch of components from a supplier and use them just the same? You see where this goes ...

This is not a case of users with unreasonable expectations or even picky users ... it's a case of Fender not living up to what they promised.

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:16 am
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I hear ya Ken. So far I haven't heard too much wrong with the MIII - can you point me to a pre-set that you're finding evidences this badly, so I can have a close listen (btw, my MIII is shipped with v1.5 firmware that I haven't upgraded yet)?

Rich :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:21 am
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Hi,
Fender have had the Mustang " Made in China ", at least that's what it says on
the back panel of my M III ! So who knows what quality of components are being
used from batch to batch. Could it be a reason why some, and not others, are having
problems, even after the 1.6 Update ?. My M III responded very well to the update,
yet others hear no improvement at all, some even worse ? What batch are Fender
using during the beta testing ?. The M 1V-V people seem to be having an output
problem, and don't talk too much about the co called "fizz/buzz" in the preamp.
So this seems like it will go on and on.
Might be an idea to include your amps' production data details, when joining a serious
discussion in the forum - that's if you have an amp !
It could help to narrow down some common problem areas. Maybe - Huh ?
Anyway, to start it off - Here's my Mustang III details : -

Model: Mustang™ III
Model #2300030000
Serial: CGPK10000140

( Looks to be an early model ? - came with v1.5 ) .

By the way, I have no connection with Fender ! Because of all the online names
and passwords reqd. for every site, I just choose a simple name,
using mine and the website owner name.
Hence jim + fender = " jimfdr " ( no mix-ups ) !

Rock On
Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:36 pm
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Hi All,

Have you read the Review of the Mustang III - in Guitarist magazine ?
They gave it a 4.5 Star out of 5 rating ! ( a 5 Star for Value for money ),
in this months' May Issue. They were so impressed, that they used the
M III for the Guitar review Demos on this months' Guitarist CD !
As they said -
" That probably says it all - we were happy to use the Mustang III ..... "
Read it for yourselves. There's a lot of candid realism in the review too.
Nice to hear some good comments for a change !

Rock On,
Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:25 am
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i read the guitarist review and there wasn't a single mention of any fizz/buzz on clean tones. i found this to be really bizarre/puzzling...to the point of thinking can i ever trust another review again!!!!!


i noticed my amp after having a "problem" after about 20mins.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:48 am
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mwwm wrote:
i read the guitarist review and there wasn't a single mention of any fizz/buzz on clean tones. i found this to be really bizarre/puzzling...to the point of thinking can i ever trust another review again!!!!!


i noticed my amp after having a "problem" after about 20mins.


Hi mwwm,

This just highlights - once again, my thoughts in my post before last, about
the different production batches of the M III .
I wonder what vintage the Guitarist M III is ?

If you view/listen to the CD Demos on computer you'll hear no "fizz/buzz" either,
and they're pretty inclusive re, pickup changes, different pickups, plus
note-holding until fade out on all guitars demoed. No "fizz or buzz " anywhere.
They also give, on-screen, the named Mustang III , Preset choices being used.
Note the demo of the PRS Studio, with Humbucker, also, using the Mustang III.
No "fizz or buzz " either. Nice guitar player too !

Why not give your amps' Production Data/Serial No.
and current Firmware Version No. and add it to the list
for comparison purposes ?.

Also don't forget -the speaker may need some breaking-in.
Give it a bit of time and Update to the latest 1.6 version

Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:47 am
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I just noticed that the distortion is far more pronounced out of the left channel and that the disturbance is almost at an acceptable level from the right channel(though still there).I have a M5 for those who haven't read the previous pages.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:24 pm
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GT george wrote:
I just noticed that the distortion is far more pronounced out of the left channel and that the disturbance is almost at an acceptable level from the right channel(though still there).I have a M5 for those who haven't read the previous pages.


Hi GT,

If I recall, your problem is, in your experience, in the Power Amp- correct ?.
The reported user problems appear to be divided between the Preamp and
the Power Amp sections.

Some vintage/Serial No. comparisons may show a
trend in problems with different production batch numbers.

What vintage i.e. Serial No. is your amp - from the backplate -and -
where is it manufactured. ? How long have you got the M5 and are you
gigging it live yet ?.

Trying to get a focus on the problems.
Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:41 pm
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Hey,

Looks like I've brought this thread to a halt,
talking about Amp Serial Nos. etc.
Anyone out there ?

Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:09 pm
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I'm out here.
My MIII is in the trunk to go back to the store in the morning.
I couldn't get rid of the distortion. Gains at 1 to 2, eq's backed way off, no effects sags and biases tweaked, still there. It even had a bit of what sounded like tremolo bleeding in too.
I am going to try another one only because of the glorious sounds it made in spite of the unwanted overtones.
Did the full restore before I updated firmware. FW 1.6.4 through Fuse.
Hopefully this one will be more successful.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:17 am
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Hi Driver3,

Right thing to do if it's so bad.
What's the Serial No. - before you bring it back ?.
How long have you had it ?.
Check the Serial No. on the replacement first.

Jim


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:28 am
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I have M1, made in China (aren't they all made in China?) and tail-end distortion was there, especially on twin model which was unusable. '57 deluxe was the cleanest model and I could hardly hear this fizz but it was there, too.
Upgrading firmware to 1.7.4. beta definitely solved the problem for me. No more distortion.
I have a tele (SC) and an Ibanez archtop (HB) and they both sound great on Mustang I now.
I guess I was lucky picking one made from good components, but it turned out that the problem was just in firmware, at least in my case. :wink:
I'm at work now but I think my serial ends with 06088


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:33 am
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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:35 am
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I don't think it's a good idea to list your serial numbers on a public forum.


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Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:01 am
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GT george wrote:
I don't think it's a good idea to list your serial numbers on a public forum.


Hi GT,

Maybe your right there. Only if you're worried about who knows it.
Fender have them all on the Fuse site - submitted by all who registered
for Fuse, Ableton Live and IK Media - or have you forgotten ! - anyway !.
So Fender should be able to do a survey themselves. Saves me the bother.
Then they'll tell us the results and those dud ones will be replaced !.
Think so ?

IDT ! :roll: :lol:

At least everyone knows my Serial No. - if my M III gets nicked. !
( And the few other guys who were interested, as well. )

Bye,
Jim


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